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yeah

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welcome back to calling all beings on a

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Monday night it's about to get real with

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a multi-tool player a man that can go

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any direction you want to go with the

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phenomenon he doesn't have a vector so

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what's up I'm your host DJ along with

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the co-conspirator of this joint my man

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Monet Nathan what's up everybody good to

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uh be here this evening man Monday

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kicking off the week with a little

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exciting conversation all about it

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looking forward to it about to get real

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and guess what fresh off the Symposium

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she about to go back to another one in

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New York City and make her presence felt

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put your hands together for a study of

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uaps the mental health professional

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hi everyone happy Monday what's up Deb

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I'm excited

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right me too

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I can tell DJ's got the exciting shirt

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and the excitement in his voice and I

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love it yeah it's about to get real part

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of people because again like I said if

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we were using a baseball metaphor we

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brought on a multi-tool player given to

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us by our home girl in the chat Miss

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Julie Farrell one of his homies she done

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took his class in RV to the deal double

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um this gentleman has a PHD in I don't

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even know what he's got a PhD in in

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being really smart about all this kind

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of stuff so he's about to tell us we're

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going to get educated by my New York

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brother from another put your hands

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together for Dr Simeon hi hey hey

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guys hey Man Iron Man thank you thank

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thank you

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great to be here your PhD is in

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sociology is that right oh it's in post

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hole digging at least that's one of my

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former girlfriends used to say and I dug

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a lot of post holes for her uh but it's

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actually yes it is in sociology so that

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is correct and all of these topics that

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you guys are interested in that we're

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talking about more and more across the

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country I mean this is pure for me this

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is pure sociology what's real what isn't

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real what we don't talk about what we

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experience and still don't want to talk

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about and what our government knows

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about and doesn't want to talk about

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social I love it I love it yeah I heard

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your discussion with Dave Scott and and

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say hey what's up Linda Thompson in the

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house we got a genuine Legend we got

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three Legends we got Dr simming we've

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um you're a New York brother Dr Hunt

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right yeah I grew up in Manhattan and uh

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I thought you're from yeah

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yeah my parents moved out there you know

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after a while the schools were thought

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to be better so like a lot of people

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they moved out to The Burbs in the 60s

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and I spent a lot of my life there and

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then kind of came out west but I I've

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been back in New York recently I was

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just back there a couple weeks ago and I

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even had an office on 26th 24th and 6th

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I had a you know shared office space

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there so well I'm from Peekskill can you

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give me a town where you went to school

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uh I went to school in Greenberg

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Edgemont near White Plains okay all

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right yeah wow so South you're very

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close to the city you know close to

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Yonkers and all that stuff okay all

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right yeah you're a little bit south of

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me right north of Yonkers exactly right

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okay see that Nathan

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you got a problem with that guys you got

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I'm walking here yeah I'm sorry I love

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it you know I'm a big uh I'm a big fan

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of uh you know Dr Heinz uh advocacy for

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I mean I first of all I love the title

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of the book dark monsters matter and I

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that's right sorry I got favorite books

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I got it all right I like your title

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they do matter absolutely no I do love

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the title the book Dark Matter monsters

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and uh for those of our listeners who

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aren't as familiar with it if you would

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uh be willing to kind of give a little

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bit of a synopsis of it I think that

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would be great I think it's just a

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fascinating theory on on the phenomena

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what we're looking at here

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well you know uh right after taking RV

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remote viewing back in the 90s one of

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the the targets that we viewed was crop

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circles and I didn't know I was fresh

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out of graduate school I had no idea

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what a crop circle was so I felt like I

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should go over to the UK and see one of

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these for myself on a crop circle tour

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which I did with a guy named Ron Russell

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from the Denver area who I happened to

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meet

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at a conference uh you know right in the

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middle of RV in Denver he said I give

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these tours and we don't know who's

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making them and you know what they mean

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and so forth and I was really curious

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from doing my session and watching other

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people do sessions you don't you know

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you got your feedback but what is this

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pattern in the week so I went over there

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and I immediately saw that lots of

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people had experienced strange things

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around crop circles including battery

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failure camera failure orbs space time

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distortions and UA uh you know UFOs now

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called uaps even some small ones

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floating over the circles moving

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erratically really strange stuff and

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then I began to experience it myself

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with uh Ron's tour group and then later

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my tour groups once I started giving

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tours over there I mean you go in there

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in people's cameras and batteries would

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stop working sometimes they'd never work

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again and you know ordinarily wheat does

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not do that to your electronics okay

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it's a kind of an insulator

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for a couple decades of what could

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explain why a crop circle

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the shape or something about it could

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affect our electromagnetic

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frequencies and create strange

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electronic effects plus space-time

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anomalies cause compasses to spin around

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even professional film Crews BBC would

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have it happen to their cameras I mean

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you're talking severe camera failure

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sometimes you have to like reboot it put

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it away for a while well fast forward to

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more recently

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I was really surprised once I started

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talking to Witnesses in the Rocky

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Mountain area that the similar things

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happened around Bigfoot's Sasquatch

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scripted encounters and that some that I

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saw this cannot be an accident the same

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things that I described around crop

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circles when I went to some of these

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conferences in Bailey and I did you were

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Igor birds have a Russian researcher I

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got to meet him and talk to him he's one

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of the people that really blew my mind

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out about the subject because he said

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this is I used to think there's some

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sort of undiscovered primate you know

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like decantopithecus even though in the

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U.S there's not a single eight bone ever

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been found anywhere

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uh aside from Nathan and myself do you

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mean yes okay and those guys walk down

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all fours and then he said well I

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thought it was our undiscovered human

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and then after all the stuff we saw

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around it which he presented to us he

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decided it was a paranormal being

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a paranormal I guess so what do you what

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do you think people experience some

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people some Sasquatch encounters battery

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space-time distortions car won't start

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coincidence there has to be orbs balls

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of light orbs around Sasquatch

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uh bigfoot coming out of balls of light

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throwing balls of light at people and

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then to top it all off I had heard these

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presentations but I never could quite

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make sense of it UFOs right next to

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uh sightings sometimes seeing them

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coming out of UFOs so I realized there

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was just some bigger underlying reality

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going on here and and we were dealing

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with a very significant subject

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uh even other states of matter that

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we're not all that familiar with but

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physicists talk about Dark Matter dark

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cosmos that are used by plants and

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animals and so forth and I finally kind

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of clicked that we were dealing with a

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type of dark matter of life form hence

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have scary encounters with them and they

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seem kind of monster-like sometimes they

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do I love it well I'm going to follow

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follow up with that uh one quick

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question then so a lot of our physicists

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think that dark matter is uh you know

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kind of comprises most of the matter in

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the known universe so if that's true how

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crowded do you think our reality

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actually is with these creatures and

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others excellent question very good

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yes Dark Matter out matters are normal

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double dark Theory dark matter which

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just a quick review it seems to be the

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forest that holds universes uh galaxies

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together since there's not enough

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material in galaxies and they're

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rotating they should fling apart but

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of Chicago so there has to be more

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matter but we can't see it so they

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called it you know Dunkel Materia in

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German a dark matter and so the idea is

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there has to be more matter there and it

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what we see around us folks visible

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matter is a half a percent of reality

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there's a three to four percent of

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ordinary matter that's not visible

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non-barionic manners they call it and

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then there's another 30 or so you know

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give or take a few percent up dark uh

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dark matter and then there's like 70

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dark energy which is an even more

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mysterious force that seems to push

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galaxies apart so Nathan to go back to

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your question

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there's like 10 dark particles for every

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one particle that we can see around us

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and it's not just out there and this was

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a big realization to me a number of

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years ago doing research into this

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thinking this might have something to do

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with crop circles like maybe crop

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circles were lensing a type of energy

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acting like a waveguide and they're

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thinking about what type of energy would

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they be lensing you know light's really

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small you wouldn't expect wheat to

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really affect the refraction of light

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because it's nanometers but maybe Dark

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Matter dark energy and there is dark

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matter and dark energy around us all the

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radiation

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from The Big Bang there's much more of

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that than there is ordinary matter and

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it's streaming around the earth it's

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gravitationally uh lensed and it it

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condenses

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and we're around that all the time it's

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around the Sun the moon the Earth it's

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attracted to gravitational objects and

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it interacts with ourselves with

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molecules chemistry relative so just the

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fact that there's something streaming in

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from the cosmos like 10 million a second

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are interacting with your body

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that could you know be a catalyst for

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all types of energetic paranormal

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apparently paranormal

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realities that we normally don't have an

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explanation for so to answer your

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question in a nutshell that is exactly

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what I started thinking if there's 10

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times as many Dark Matter particles as

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ordinary particles does that mean

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there's ten times as much dark matter

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life

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logical extension

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um

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yeah there's dark matter is something

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that we're just learning to understand

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and it's still the best theory to match

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all the data we have about the cosmos

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but the main point is it's not just way

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out there in the cosmos where the Earth

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is interacting with dark energy there

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was a Soviet now Russian physicist

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Alexander parkimov that wrote this whole

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book about it that in the English

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translation is called space Earth human

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and he said you can focus it and lens it

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even enough to create cold fusion low

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energy nuclear reactions that it matters

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to us that dark matter matters to go

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back to your joke yeah

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I hit this one it's

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interacting with life and if you're

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inside there's not as much dark matter

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and they even find that some of these

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physics experiments they start dying

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down until they open the window

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and it's not because oxygen I mean and

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it's because these particles kind of get

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used up and you need to refresh them

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again so I'm convinced that there's

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types of life that are more dark matter

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based than ordinary you know

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matter-based that we're made of and that

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it's they're very good at cloaking and

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invisibility and teleportation and

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things that dark matter seems to be very

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good at I mean I can elaborate on this

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as much as you want but that's the gist

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of it I think there's to sum up your

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question in nutshell I think there's a

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lot of life around us but we're tuned to

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a very narrow range of frequencies with

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our senses

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we know this there's a huge range of

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frequencies in the electromagnetic

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spectrum and they could exist through

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resonance at other frequencies kind of

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like a tuning fork that's just tuned to

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a different frequency than our training

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Fork so we don't resonate with them all

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the time and maybe they can shift into

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our reality and sometimes we resonate

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with them but this would I mean Igor

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borter going back to Igor he was the one

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I mean I couldn't believe this you're

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someone that is a PhD social science

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political scientist been studying

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Sasquatch for 50 years

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he gave us numerous examples how they

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literally disappeared in front of

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witnesses eyes like a curtain of light

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coming down and they're gone and he he

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had the pictures and they had mapped out

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you know the whole areas where this

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happened he had the evidence so yeah

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things that can appear disappear it's so

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hard for us to believe with our modern

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mindset but this is what Witnesses tell

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us they experience I I actually I I have

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a and I want to ask you about that about

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the different sort of experiences people

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have had with Sasquatch that some that

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that do seem quite Supernatural and some

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that don't some that are but before we

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get to that

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um what you were just talking about

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about perception about uh that there are

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we're perceiving and I heard you say

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this with uh is it Mr Scott is it Dave

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Scott yeah yeah yeah

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great interview with Dave Scott and and

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a lot of his his theory of disclosure in

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mind at least at this point in time are

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are pretty in sync and you made a a

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pretty compelling debate against that

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but but what I want to ask you is how do

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you think that these are are these

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people chosen that perceive outside of

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that narrow band because right now well

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Nathan I think is expanding his but

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right now I'm in this narrow band I'm

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not perceiving do you think that that

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they are chosen do you think that they

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are self-developed how how does that

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happen where where we have these

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individuals who are in fact able to to

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to perceive outside of that narrow band

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it does seem to me based on all the work

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I've done with RV remote viewing and

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resonance that some people have a

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broader bandwidth of perception than

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others we've all been conditioned by

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this Society we've grown up with in you

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know unidj in New York state schools

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they don't talk about this and and you

401
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are discouraged you know from going off

402
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in any of these directions in high

403
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school I remember very explicitly High

404
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School teachers just saying you know

405
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there's no evidence for this no evidence

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for that UFOs are just you know

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drunk alcoholics in rural areas and all

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this kind of

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you know these kind of gesso

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explanations that Project Blue Book

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Advanced and people bought that hook

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line in Sinker you know because at least

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it was some explanation that people are

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seeing you know swamp gas and you know

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weather balloons and all the flocks of

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geese and ice crystals and they're still

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using these explanations but not lots of

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Seagulls we gotta get that right blocks

419
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of seagulls and Flubber whatever you can

420
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come up with not to deal with what the

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witnesses say they're experiencing

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so I think what is going on and I'm not

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uh I'm not saying maybe people aren't

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chosen because it does seem this goes

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through lineages of family sometimes but

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from my experiences in sociology there's

427
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sociologists there's some people that

428
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just do have a slightly broader

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bandwidth and maybe they don't edit out

430
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as much as other people so they see

431
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things but then we're all really

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discouraged from talking about it due to

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the stigma which the UAP task force had

434
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on their first page I I loved it you

435
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know a lot of people were disappointed

436
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with the uip task force report because

437
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it didn't really say too much and it

438
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just said well there we had 144

439
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sightings recently I don't know what

440
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their time frame was we could all we can

441
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all explain one and we don't know what

442
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the rest is but to me the fact that they

443
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admitted that there's pressure

444
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and ridicule and hostility directed

445
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towards Witnesses and this could ruin

446
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your career especially in the military

447
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well that's pretty good enough reason

448
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right there why you don't hear about it

449
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and so what seems to be going on is that

450
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everyone experiences this from time to

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time

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I just found out DJ that even in

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Edgemont High School the wrestling team

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saw a black triangle while on a

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wrestling match in Mamaroneck

456
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wow and in the late 70s and I knew the

457
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kids I didn't hear about it from them

458
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because they said it was the scariest

459
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thing they'd ever seen hovering over a

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high gym

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and uh I only found out about it a

462
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couple years later uh go 40 years later

463
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I find out that in my class there was a

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sighting of the Hudson Valley triangle

465
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in the late 70s including Jets chasing

466
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it on its way out I I interviewed busy

467
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Vinnie the wrestling coach it's on my

468
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YouTube channel and we're going to do a

469
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follow-up and uh uh you know if people

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don't talk about these things where you

471
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and I grew up DJ there was the Hudson

472
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Valley UFO and people I've heard I

473
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didn't hear about it until recently I've

474
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interviewed Witnesses and they didn't

475
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tell too many people because of the

476
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radical effect so there's a newer movie

477
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called yeah I just want to interject one

478
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thing I got about eight classmates who

479
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saw the because I graduated 85 I've had

480
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eight classmates now because I had one

481
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on my other podcast about two weeks ago

482
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that told me about his uh a black

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triangle right over Indian Point so yeah

484
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got at least eight if not more he saw

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though he saw the one over India uh he

486
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well no the one that he saw was over

487
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route nine

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Buchanan exactly skill meet but I have

489
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others that's a very good point yeah

490
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wow so you had others who saw that

491
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Indian Point I mean that was seen by

492
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like 30 guards and they almost started

493
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shooting at it you would think this

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would make Front Page News

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uh you're you're a you know a nuclear

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facility that by the way that the the

497
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there were four PL uh power plants there

498
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do you know the one that it was over was

499
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the one that powered the NSA facility in

500
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Connecticut outside of Cheshire

501
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that's the one that it was hovering over

502
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and they later found a crack in the

503
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concrete Dome was it there signaling

504
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that there could have been a leak or

505
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yeah I mean it was there probably I

506
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imagine it was saying hey guys pay

507
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attention you could have a leak yes

508
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you're right in New York City but yeah

509
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so these encounters happened all over

510
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Westchester and there's that book by J

511
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Alan heineck and a couple other authors

512
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night Siege yep which has one encounter

513
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no I didn't hear about it growing up

514
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there I mean it was the 80s and I had

515
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already gone off to college but still

516
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I'd come back no one ever talked about

517
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it so this is what the effect of social

518
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stigma is the papers say oh it was a

519
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flight of Cessna you know even though

520
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those tend to have Motors that make a

521
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little bit of noise not be silent and do

522
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these flat turns and go straight up and

523
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it's these BS explanations and you know

524
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you and I nobody took that seriously in

525
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our area the police least you'd call

526
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them and they would say well we don't

527
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know and there's who are you going to

528
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call Ghostbusters I mean

529
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so this is what so all right let me give

530
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you one another aspect of this that goes

531
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even deeper than the social stigma it's

532
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your own mind in this newer Bigfoot

533
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movie called a flash of beauty Bigfoot

534
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revealed

535
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and just a fair disclosure I'm gonna be

536
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in the sequel called uh the Paranormal

537
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Bigfoot flash of beauty paranormal

538
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Bigfoot just to get that out of the way

539
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but I I watched this first one before I

540
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knew the producers and the blue mate and

541
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I liked the last half great overall you

542
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:29,159
know Witnesses great photography so

543
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,140
you've seen yeah I have you should have

544
00:22:34,490 --> 00:22:32,880
those guys on the show at some point but

545
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what in the last half hour they have

546
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these psychiatrists and psychologists

547
00:22:40,669 --> 00:22:39,059
who say not only will you not want to

548
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:40,679
talk about it because of the social

549
00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:45,360
stigma for PTSD you won't remember it

550
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,580
remember this you won't remember it

551
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:49,440
because it's too far out of the bounds

552
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:51,960
of your mind your physical brain saying

553
00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:56,400
tilt I'm checking out I don't like there

554
00:23:02,090 --> 00:22:58,679
aren't supposed to be any 10-foot High

555
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:02,100
escape gorillas in Westchester and yeah

556
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:03,600
people have seen them in Westchester I

557
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:05,940
mean yeah so your brain just says tilt

558
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:08,280
I'm gonna forget about it and so there's

559
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:10,500
the stigma and then there's the level of

560
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,600
just pure forgetting any of us or any of

561
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,120
the listeners or viewers of the show

562
00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:17,039
right now you could have had a Sasquatch

563
00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:19,559
encounter there in every state

564
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,539
I don't remember having any encounters

565
00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:23,039
but that doesn't mean it didn't happen

566
00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:24,900
because you might not remember it

567
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,940
because it's too freaking weird

568
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:29,520
yeah no doubt I got to turn it over to

569
00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:32,520
Debs uh so uh she doesn't beat me with a

570
00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:34,740
large stick uh Debs please go ahead

571
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:37,140
ma'am yeah actually I had the same

572
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:40,440
question that Jesse best has which is

573
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,260
how do we tune into this frequency to

574
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:46,080
perceive the beings and since you are a

575
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:49,260
remote view yeah uh viewer and a trainer

576
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:51,179
and a resident viewer I thought maybe

577
00:23:54,490 --> 00:23:52,620
you could give us some tips on

578
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:54,500
increasing that

579
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:57,960
Broadband so to speak yeah no it's a

580
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:00,720
good question I mean no it's it's a good

581
00:24:06,169 --> 00:24:03,059
question yeah because because going back

582
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:06,179
to uh DJ's question are we chosen again

583
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,220
that could be possible but some of us

584
00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:09,840
seem to be

585
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:13,980
in the right place at the right time but

586
00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:15,539
just before I answer your question

587
00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:17,220
directly do you realize that in these

588
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:18,659
encounters some people don't see

589
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,179
anything and other people do or they

590
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:23,760
can't agree on what they saw

591
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:26,039
like some people will insist it looked

592
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,980
like a giant cat on two legs and others

593
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,720
will insist it looked like an ape and

594
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,400
then other will say no it looked like a

595
00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:34,799
caveman a very hairy cave they cannot

596
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,900
agree and I don't know if it's because

597
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:39,000
the Sasquatch can modulate their

598
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,640
frequency and look look different to

599
00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:43,440
different people or whether our brains

600
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,460
the way we process reality uh makes it

601
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:50,400
look different but the way to start

602
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,620
perceiving this I think RV is one very

603
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,720
good way because it teaches you to learn

604
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,760
to tolerate the unknown while you're

605
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,559
doing your army session

606
00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:00,960
and not to insist on knowing the answer

607
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:03,480
so you start perceiving more subtle

608
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,179
signals within your own awareness

609
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:09,360
it's really uh Deb it's like a tolerance

610
00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:12,539
for the unknown because a lot of times

611
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:14,820
people will see things like this and

612
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,380
they'll dismiss it or think it's

613
00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:18,360
something familiar

614
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,520
until they look at the photos later and

615
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:22,559
realized it wasn't what they thought it

616
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,360
was and I don't think it's just a screen

617
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:26,400
memory or something like this I think

618
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:28,500
literally our brain wants to make it

619
00:25:33,169 --> 00:25:30,360
look we know this from all the research

620
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,179
in brain physiology that your mind is

621
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:35,039
constantly adapting everything to

622
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:36,480
something familiar

623
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,720
you're not even perceiving reality uh

624
00:25:44,029 --> 00:25:42,000
it's like what you're we're all

625
00:25:45,529 --> 00:25:44,039
perceiving right now anyone watching the

626
00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:45,539
show now or later

627
00:25:51,370 --> 00:25:48,419
it's like about from what I've read

628
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:51,380
about 10 of what's going on around you

629
00:25:58,370 --> 00:25:54,600
your brain is making up the other 90

630
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,380
like a JPEG compression algorithm to

631
00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:01,200
make it fit what it thinks is real and

632
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:03,419
this gets hardwired into us they found

633
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:05,340
this is from studies at Harvard

634
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:08,580
uh that uh

635
00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:10,740
Jessica Langer that

636
00:26:15,230 --> 00:26:12,360
it's hardwired into you by the time

637
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,240
you're like one reality or one or two

638
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:17,100
but what you've been taught is real you

639
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:19,080
start not seeing things after a while I

640
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,520
think it gets worse as we get older just

641
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,440
because we're so convinced we know what

642
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:24,240
reality is

643
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:26,820
yeah but we don't the older we get we we

644
00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:29,580
feel we like we've we know I've met

645
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:31,140
people that they've sort of decided

646
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:32,760
everything they have a position on

647
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:34,740
everything exactly we all know people

648
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:36,059
like they're kind of done learning at

649
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,700
that point uh as far as screen members I

650
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:41,760
could say like I I feel I have screened

651
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:43,320
memories it seems like I started

652
00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:46,020
ordering Windows last spring and I still

653
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:47,880
don't have screens on my windows so I

654
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:50,340
I'm struggling with that and they told

655
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:52,500
me there's another delay on on my

656
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:55,740
windows and screens but so wait no no so

657
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:59,039
so today no it's true we have these our

658
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,020
perception and it's worse actually worse

659
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:03,240
than that it's

660
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:08,340
we actually throw out our brains discard

661
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,760
over 99.9 of the information that comes

662
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,440
into our physical senses just our

663
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:14,880
physical senses there's a great book

664
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:17,460
called the user illusion which the our

665
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:19,260
remote viewer Ingo Swan used to talk

666
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:21,299
about to our Nora trenders is the author

667
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,919
Engel mentioned this book a number of

668
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:25,679
times and I came across it uh quite a

669
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:28,620
while back before I started hearing Ingo

670
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:30,120
he would come to our conference as the

671
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,480
Irma conferences the point is what we

672
00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:35,580
know is that the brain throws out almost

673
00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:37,799
everything that doesn't seem immediately

674
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,539
relevant to your survival

675
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:42,000
so things could come across your

676
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:43,860
perception you won't have any memory of

677
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:47,880
it because your brain discarded it

678
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:49,559
and that's almost all the information

679
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:53,880
like 99.9 with a couple you know nines

680
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:56,760
after it decimal places then of that

681
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,100
tiny fraction of a percent your brain is

682
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:01,440
matching that to fill in the colors and

683
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,960
the shapes because it's a lot of work to

684
00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:04,980
perceive

685
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:06,840
information from the outside so your

686
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:08,279
brain is doing its best to do what it

687
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:09,900
thinks will help you which is let's just

688
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:12,539
approximate the rest right like we have

689
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,340
one pixel here let's add in 10 pixels

690
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:16,559
because it's more efficient that way so

691
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,419
we're not really seeing reality to begin

692
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:21,360
with so one thing that I did I mean one

693
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,340
way to start seeing more I went on one

694
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:25,380
of these Bigfoot Adventure weekends in

695
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,220
Bailey in July where you go out at night

696
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:31,620
we went there earlier in the day to some

697
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,179
of these sites where the Bigfoot had

698
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,760
been seen gifting sites where people at

699
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:38,640
you know the researchers leave puzzles

700
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:41,220
out there or gifts and see if they're

701
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:43,140
rearranged a couple days later really

702
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:44,940
remote spots where I I don't think

703
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:46,860
anyone else is going

704
00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:49,740
way off the trail and so you go out

705
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,659
there and you're listening and you're

706
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,520
watching so it's sort of like this

707
00:28:57,049 --> 00:28:55,500
sensory training exercise I think it

708
00:28:58,970 --> 00:28:57,059
takes some training and DJ I think

709
00:29:02,269 --> 00:28:58,980
you're right you know we've all grown up

710
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,279
a certain way and it's just very hard to

711
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,279
get beyond what our minds think are

712
00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:07,200
there myself included we've all had this

713
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,419
educational system that told us oh

714
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,000
that's weird stuff that's not real

715
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:15,600
that's paranormal or It's Supernatural

716
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:17,700
and so we discard a lot of this and our

717
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,559
society has a negative attitude towards

718
00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:21,360
these phenomena by and large though it

719
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:23,159
is changing I mean I think it slowly

720
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:24,779
changes as soon as Congress gets

721
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:27,059
involved I mean it could go any way go

722
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:28,380
any direction but there's a lot of

723
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:29,640
factors but it's very good to do

724
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,500
training exercise I think RV is one good

725
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:33,480
way and you could probably think of a

726
00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:35,460
lot of other ways to start training your

727
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,520
perception to perceive a broader range

728
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:41,279
of frequencies this stuff can be very

729
00:29:46,669 --> 00:29:43,740
subtle and the Sasquatch one more thing

730
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:46,679
they're very good at camouflaging them

731
00:29:52,990 --> 00:29:49,860
so results to look like Boulders tree

732
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:53,000
stumps or bushes

733
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,559
it's good enough that it'll be like

734
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:58,559
passable like not a perfect Boulder or

735
00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:00,600
tree stump but you might not notice it

736
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,700
going by you just you know you're not

737
00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:04,080
looking for it you go and you look

738
00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:05,460
that's kind of a weird tree stuff but

739
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:07,860
it's good enough for them not to you

740
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,940
know you won't see them and then you see

741
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:10,980
the tree stump walking away

742
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:13,080
all of their brain power is devoted

743
00:30:18,889 --> 00:30:15,000
towards this I mean the way that right

744
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:18,899
we have we have uh developed our brains

745
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:22,380
to uh technologize ourselves and our and

746
00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:25,320
our communities and our lifestyle theirs

747
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:28,620
is simply devoted to how do I master the

748
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,140
woods keep from being seen exactly right

749
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,320
keep from being heard or absolutely be

750
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:35,760
heard when I want to scare somebody

751
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,039
because they're getting too close to my

752
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:39,840
family yeah yeah and I want them to go

753
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:42,179
back to their car there you go so so

754
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,460
this is what I have for you

755
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:47,760
um I have heard of individuals uh Rick

756
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:50,880
Taylor was one that when he went out in

757
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:52,740
the in the forest with Arla Williams and

758
00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:55,320
he's coming up on calling all beings uh

759
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:57,539
Richard Stewart Taylor Rick Taylor from

760
00:31:04,130 --> 00:30:59,580
Texas investigator

761
00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:04,140
and he uh Arla said uh okay turn on your

762
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:06,179
your night vision and he tried to turn

763
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:07,559
on nothing

764
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:09,480
and then she said try it again he tries

765
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:10,740
it again nothing

766
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,020
and it's like it won't come on he knows

767
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,120
he knows he put new batteries in it and

768
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:17,640
so then she says okay try it now and he

769
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:19,860
tries it and it it turns on and we've

770
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:21,539
also heard of other individuals where

771
00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:23,880
they've drained the batteries and yet

772
00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:26,600
I have heard first-person encounters

773
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,659
with several if not many individuals who

774
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:32,700
have been able to have their equipment

775
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:36,600
work and and get even a crappy film of

776
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:39,720
Sasquatch so what I'm asking you Simeon

777
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:44,159
is what is it that do do you suppose

778
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:46,620
that some of them have the ability to

779
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:49,260
control your electronics to control your

780
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,620
cell phone and some of them do not

781
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:54,720
no it's a great question there's so much

782
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,820
variation in the Sasquatch encounters

783
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:58,320
right and some of them really just do

784
00:32:02,029 --> 00:31:59,820
seem like flesh and blood and people

785
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:02,039
will say no it really was like an animal

786
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:04,140
you know it was just a flesh and blood

787
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:06,059
animal I've spoken to these researchers

788
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,799
other people have the other encounters

789
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,080
that say you know it turned into Blue

790
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:13,020
Mist right in front of my eyes yeah

791
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:16,679
and I I interviewed a witness a couple

792
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:19,919
days ago Barbara from a Smithsonian dig

793
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:24,179
in the 1970s on China Lake Naval Weapon

794
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:25,980
Station they had permission to go on

795
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,860
there and it started feeling around the

796
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:30,480
Tenon was rubbing her face she thought

797
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:32,700
it was the other guy in the tent since

798
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:35,340
he had a kind of a crush on her and she

799
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:36,899
you know I said what are you doing Luke

800
00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:38,580
and he said I'm just I mean I'm in my

801
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:40,380
sleeping bag so they all ran out and

802
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:42,120
they see something with glowing yellow

803
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:46,200
eyes on a moonless night eyes that emit

804
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:49,080
uh light and their accounts of the

805
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:50,220
Sasquatch

806
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:52,740
being able to see infrared which we

807
00:32:57,970 --> 00:32:55,140
don't know a single other animal you

808
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:57,980
can't see infrared from an infrared uh

809
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,480
sighting device or night vision you

810
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:01,919
don't see the infrared I've been out

811
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:04,380
many times with it night vision

812
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:05,700
equipment you can turn on the

813
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:08,760
Illuminator it's like from yes but that

814
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:10,500
infrared Illuminator you'll see it

815
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,700
through the night vision but your eyes

816
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:13,200
can't see but the Sasquatch can see it

817
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,179
because people see them they have this

818
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:17,519
extraordinary range of perception so

819
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,460
some of them do seem to have that

820
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:22,559
ability it seems to me deliberate

821
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:24,779
because we know that they can talk

822
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:27,240
telepathically into your mind and it's

823
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:28,980
quite a strange sounding voice the way

824
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,320
people describe it like a muddy Voice or

825
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:34,559
a very sort of mechanical like or that's

826
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:38,220
how your brain is translating it so I'm

827
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:41,640
yeah it is it just because of their sort

828
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:44,580
of electromagnetic frequency that it's

829
00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:46,860
zapping our electronics are they doing

830
00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:48,419
it deliberately

831
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:50,340
uh because so many times people go on to

832
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:52,440
turn their porch light because they hear

833
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,880
something walking on the porch and they

834
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:55,200
had some sightings and they go no are

835
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:56,940
they on the porch and the light doesn't

836
00:34:03,350 --> 00:33:59,820
work or you know the the phone doesn't

837
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,360
work uh and then there's so many so many

838
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:06,240
variations on this but um you know one

839
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:08,040
thing to say about it for people that

840
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,720
want these encounters I think your

841
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,460
attitude makes a big difference in your

842
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:13,440
intention people that seem to get

843
00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:16,020
contact with them in their neighborhoods

844
00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:18,419
who want this leave gifts for them

845
00:34:21,770 --> 00:34:19,980
outside

846
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:21,780
and there's this sort of gifting

847
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:24,540
relationship where you leave things for

848
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:26,820
them and they leave things for you or

849
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:29,220
even Jules who's you know a friend of

850
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:31,379
the show in my in Dark Matter monster

851
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:33,480
she gave me a story that she let me

852
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:34,980
reprint where

853
00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:37,320
she was in great need of a plumbing

854
00:34:41,649 --> 00:34:39,720
wrench and she was almost in tears

855
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:41,659
you've heard this and

856
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,220
it's not just and then one shows up in

857
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:46,379
the driveway a few minutes later out of

858
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:47,460
nowhere

859
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:50,280
folks this happens to people they have

860
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,099
repaired car damage overnight that would

861
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:55,800
have been expensive fiberglass bumpers

862
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,500
they can leave things that you need just

863
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:00,720
at that moment it's almost like they're

864
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,420
telepathic they they know what you need

865
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,400
and if so if you have have a healthy

866
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,740
relationship with them people say that

867
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,359
they're a very welcome part of the

868
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:11,040
neighborhood it's not always like that

869
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:12,780
we know of cases where it seems more

870
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:16,020
hostile they can steal your pets and

871
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:18,119
livestock and it sometimes it seems very

872
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:19,800
tragic for the people to move because

873
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,060
they get

874
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:23,520
so many of their chickens and goats end

875
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:27,420
up disappearing or being slaughtered so

876
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,859
there's such a wide range of variations

877
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,480
but you know just to go the general

878
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:32,820
question is to have contact I think you

879
00:35:34,849 --> 00:35:33,720
need to have a broader range of

880
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:34,859
perception but you need to have the

881
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:37,440
intention that you want to meet with

882
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:38,760
them and I want to say one more thing

883
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,680
the group that did see them on the

884
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:42,480
Bigfoot Adventure weekend in Bailey

885
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:44,280
hosted by the Sasquatch Outpost should

886
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,619
say that uh they had a very good

887
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:49,200
vocalist with them from LA and she was

888
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:50,940
she gave us the next day she gave us a

889
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:52,740
demonstration of the call that she made

890
00:35:57,609 --> 00:35:55,320
to them she was a really good singer and

891
00:36:01,010 --> 00:35:57,619
they responded to her

892
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:01,020
uh singing which was very resonant and

893
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,400
bell-like

894
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:04,500
so it's almost like a type of

895
00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:07,859
communication uh that you have to be you

896
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:08,940
know

897
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:12,359
kind of to reciprocate and to interact

898
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:13,800
with them some of them really do want to

899
00:36:19,329 --> 00:36:16,140
seem to have interaction with us uh Ron

900
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:19,339
Moorhead Sierra sounds right go ahead

901
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,660
I was going to have Nathan sing Hungry

902
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:23,400
Like the Wolf from Duran Duran when we

903
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,320
do that one in Alabama but now you're

904
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:27,420
making me rethink that maybe that's not

905
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,180
the best song Choice great song yeah

906
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,760
it's an excellent song well yes assuming

907
00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:34,800
you touched on this already but uh just

908
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,839
to kind of reiterate it a little bit the

909
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:39,599
it's quite popular now to talk about the

910
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,940
nature of our reality is uh not what we

911
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:44,400
have traditionally thought it to be our

912
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:46,200
physics is certainly starting to explore

913
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,020
those boundaries uh and and find New

914
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:51,359
Frontiers of knowledge that we thought

915
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:52,740
were never going to be discovered and

916
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,859
also kind of hinting that there's a lot

917
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:58,079
more out there that we just really don't

918
00:37:03,470 --> 00:36:59,339
know

919
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:03,480
your perspective on this and the the

920
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,220
coursework that you've done the training

921
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:07,200
with the remote viewing uh your

922
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:08,579
encouragement to sort of broaden our

923
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:11,460
perception you know how is this um

924
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,380
approach really affected you personally

925
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,359
and how have you seen it affect other

926
00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:18,480
people who have you know gone into this

927
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,760
trying to to take a broader view have

928
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:22,800
you seen it change the way you look at

929
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:25,140
the world and the way others you know

930
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:30,290
uh it's a really good question all I can

931
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:38,089
sorry we had the lights just went out

932
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:39,180
I've never seen him do that before

933
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,400
that's very strange

934
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:43,760
whoops okay sorry

935
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:46,680
this is like

936
00:37:53,050 --> 00:37:50,460
it's a never-ending process of learning

937
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:53,060
and growth and

938
00:37:59,150 --> 00:37:56,460
once you go down these paths it's like a

939
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:59,160
gateway drug to New Reality even

940
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:01,140
everyone has taken RV that I know well

941
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:02,700
not everyone but many people that have

942
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:04,140
taken RV

943
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:05,820
they start having new types of

944
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:08,339
experiences one woman who took my class

945
00:38:14,089 --> 00:38:11,640
from Estes Park saw a UFO just a week

946
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,099
later at an intersection in Estes Park

947
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,680
she said there was a size of a VW

948
00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:20,160
bug glowing green a couple feet off the

949
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,260
ground hovering there and she felt like

950
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,300
the UFO Target that we did in the class

951
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:26,760
towards the end opened her up to that

952
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:28,200
possible she was afraid of these things

953
00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:30,060
before but she felt that she transcended

954
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:33,180
the fear by doing the RV session

955
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:36,060
on a UFO and she didn't think she would

956
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:37,500
have had that experience in Estes Park

957
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:40,260
where she lived for all her life unless

958
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,859
she had done the RV session and let's

959
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:45,540
just take an historical example of it

960
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:48,540
Yuri Geller he's the first test subject

961
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:50,460
at Stanford Research Institute with Hal

962
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:52,140
put off and Russell tart

963
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:54,180
back in the 70s he comes over for six

964
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:56,940
weeks and the people that are working

965
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:01,760
around him he does uh he does uh PK

966
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:04,680
Ben's things does some excellent RV work

967
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:06,540
with Target and put off looks at things

968
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:08,339
in boxes all the stuff he's known for

969
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:10,619
but the strangest thing and you can read

970
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,420
about this in Jim schnabel's book remote

971
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:13,920
viewers one of the first books about

972
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:16,560
remote people started seeing cryptids in

973
00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:17,640
their homes

974
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:20,099
and around the lab

975
00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:21,960
things started falling out of the air

976
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:24,119
what are called a ports things that

977
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:25,920
people had been missing including I

978
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,619
think it was uh either Russell or Hal a

979
00:39:32,349 --> 00:39:30,480
lapel pin just fell out of the sky that

980
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:32,359
had been missing

981
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,380
Yuri said what do you want me to do and

982
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,760
I think Russell said well I've been

983
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,200
missing this lapelp and it just kind of

984
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:38,880
flow flew out of the sky they found

985
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:40,680
another one in an ice cream cone from

986
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:42,060
Ice Cream they bought on the beach from

987
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:43,619
an ice cream vendor weird stuff like

988
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:48,180
that so it's part and parcel of any of

989
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:49,619
these phenomena that there's bleed

990
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:51,660
through to other types of phenomena I

991
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,640
remember people back at farsight

992
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:55,440
Institute that said orbs came into the

993
00:39:59,150 --> 00:39:57,420
room while they were doing an ET type

994
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:59,160
viewing Target

995
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:01,320
and then people went home Ordinary

996
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:03,960
People and started seeing reptilians in

997
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,579
their living rooms

998
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:07,440
it even progressed to the point of

999
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:10,320
sexual encounters with extraterrestrials

1000
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:13,560
that they were you know it's incredibly

1001
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:15,240
surprising when something like that

1002
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:19,740
happens and seeing reptilians around so

1003
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,440
it almost seems like once

1004
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:24,540
let me put it this way once you remove

1005
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:26,820
the ordinary blinders that William Blake

1006
00:40:31,450 --> 00:40:29,460
the poet wrote about but sort of the

1007
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:31,460
scales fall from our eyes

1008
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:34,200
whatever what does it for you whether

1009
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:36,780
it's astral travel or RV or whatever

1010
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:40,200
practice it seems to open once you start

1011
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:42,119
removing the scales from your eyes it

1012
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:44,520
opens you up to a broader reality so

1013
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:46,260
it's not like you need to learn to do

1014
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,940
something new you need to learn to

1015
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:48,960
forget

1016
00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:52,380
the untruths that keep you locked in a

1017
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:54,780
fake reality box and I think we're all

1018
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:56,460
the same that way myself included

1019
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:58,260
because I went through graduate school

1020
00:41:01,790 --> 00:40:59,820
and you're very skeptical of things I

1021
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:01,800
was skeptical of all these topics for me

1022
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:05,579
to even look at the Cryptid topic I'd

1023
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:07,500
heard so many witnesses who had told me

1024
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:08,940
their stories over the years it didn't

1025
00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:11,460
click until a couple of years ago until

1026
00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:14,180
I said you know the orbs and the the the

1027
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,619
crossover between that and crop circles

1028
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,720
I saw something that

1029
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:20,700
pulled me into it but I had heard the

1030
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:22,500
encounters and I just thought it was one

1031
00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:25,079
of these rare Relic primates so it

1032
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,579
didn't really capture my attention I

1033
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:28,560
didn't realize the Paranormal aspect of

1034
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,040
it so it's really a question of it does

1035
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:34,440
change you but you have to I think it's

1036
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:35,940
a question of getting over fear of the

1037
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,980
unknown RV is a good way to do that

1038
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:39,359
because it's just for 10 or 20 minutes

1039
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:40,740
or an hour you're just you don't know

1040
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:42,900
what the target is until you're done and

1041
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:44,579
you you know you'll be okay after the

1042
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:45,900
session but you don't know what you're

1043
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:47,880
doing during the session it's really a

1044
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:50,400
tolerance I think it's what Leonardo da

1045
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:51,540
Vinci called

1046
00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:55,020
super motto which is translated from

1047
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,859
Italian is going into the Mist hmm or

1048
00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:00,960
tolerance of

1049
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,660
of the unknown

1050
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:04,800
uncertainty tolerance you know what I'm

1051
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,140
saying because your brain and we're all

1052
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:08,880
conditioned like this you it just wants

1053
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,260
to take the easy way out and just say oh

1054
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:12,720
that's a this or that to this but maybe

1055
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:14,760
it isn't I'm in a location right now in

1056
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:16,680
Laramie when I was we had a UFO

1057
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:19,260
conference here in the early 2000s Steve

1058
00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:22,380
Greer took us up to the McGuire Ranch

1059
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:25,859
with 80 people we had done his RV Square

1060
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,960
training a couple hours before where you

1061
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,000
do a meditation and you contact a ship

1062
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,920
and you send it coordinates and say I'd

1063
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,660
like to meet you here later at this time

1064
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:35,160
and you showed them of you know Earth

1065
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:37,079
where you are and then the whole thing

1066
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:39,300
and I I was skeptical of that I'm not

1067
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:40,800
sure 80 people are going to go out and

1068
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:43,619
we're going to see a UFO but we did a

1069
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,500
really bright blue object came over slow

1070
00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:48,720
I'd say about a mile up and then like a

1071
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:50,339
laser came out of it I don't know how to

1072
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,079
describe it I was thinking of it on the

1073
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,140
way driving here I can't even today to

1074
00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:57,540
this day describe what that light was it

1075
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,400
seemed like a like a laser at a rock

1076
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:02,400
concert I mean you hit the ground and I

1077
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:04,020
mean I don't know any technology around

1078
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,060
2000 that could do that but we didn't

1079
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,920
have drones back then I mean it was

1080
00:43:11,809 --> 00:43:08,880
stunning

1081
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:11,819
and that's the type of you it's a

1082
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:13,619
cumulative sort of thing the more you

1083
00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:16,619
experience of that it erodes these

1084
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:18,420
common beliefs we have about reality

1085
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:20,220
that we all inherited from our parents

1086
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:21,900
and friends and school systems

1087
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:25,260
especially New York school systems I'm a

1088
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:27,900
little prejudiced because it was so

1089
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:30,119
oriented towards turning into a doctor a

1090
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:33,300
lawyer or something ordinary and nobody

1091
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:35,160
wanted to go there with any of these

1092
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:37,140
topics even though that freaking Hudson

1093
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:39,660
Valley UFO was flying right over

1094
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:43,020
Westchester so it's it's a Trail of

1095
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:44,819
Tears never happened according to New

1096
00:43:50,569 --> 00:43:47,760
York schools never happened you never

1097
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:50,579
forget about it forget about it but no

1098
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:52,859
just there's no such thing as these

1099
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:54,359
things don't exist and that's what my

1100
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,980
high school teachers used to say they'd

1101
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:57,839
go through this in five minutes and

1102
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,579
there's no Bigfoot there's no UFO no

1103
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:01,440
Loch Ness month and I realized they were

1104
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:03,420
wrong I mean part of my question was to

1105
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:05,460
prove my teachers wrong because

1106
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:07,980
I had had a sighting when I was 11 or 12

1107
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:09,900
in the Everglades with my mom she was a

1108
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:11,940
bird watcher she goes down to Florida to

1109
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,500
the Everglades and we were in this

1110
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:15,960
swampy area and this huge thing was

1111
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:17,339
right over us and I thought it was the

1112
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,900
moon because eventually I said to Mom

1113
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,640
what's the moon this is strange looking

1114
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:22,560
Moon she goes the moon's over there on

1115
00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:25,500
the horizon wow so it was that big as

1116
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:27,300
big as a full moon over us and it was

1117
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:28,319
hovering

1118
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,319
and it we put our binoculars up and

1119
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,359
there was a pattern of dots in the shape

1120
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,240
of a z underneath it right close to a z

1121
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:38,520
like structure so it was amorphous

1122
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:40,380
instructured my 11 year old mind didn't

1123
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:42,060
know it and then it moved into a cloud

1124
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:44,099
it just was stationary and then it just

1125
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:46,380
started moving quickly into a cloud

1126
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:49,140
and we told them we went to a ranger we

1127
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:51,240
went to our Ranger talk that night as I

1128
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,980
have a national park and the first

1129
00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:54,960
question the ranger actually said did

1130
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:57,140
anyone see anything interesting today

1131
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:00,180
and my mom the old person that she is

1132
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:02,520
still alive to this day she said yeah we

1133
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:04,740
just saw a UFO and the ranger said

1134
00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:06,839
that's interesting did anyone else see

1135
00:45:11,809 --> 00:45:08,520
something today that they wanted him

1136
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,819
like she glossed it over and next and

1137
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,380
the people sitting next to us on the

1138
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,880
bench you know those national park

1139
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:16,500
benches at the amphitheater they had

1140
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:18,660
seen it too so I saw from a young age

1141
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:21,420
that there was something else you know

1142
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:24,900
so it's a slow but necessary process of

1143
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:27,720
realizing that we're in a Multiverse

1144
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:30,300
with other types of life forms and we're

1145
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,040
used to being in this one but that

1146
00:45:35,809 --> 00:45:34,079
doesn't mean the life forms in those

1147
00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:35,819
parallel realities and this is what I

1148
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:37,020
personally believe you have to agree

1149
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:37,800
with me but this is why I think it's

1150
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:39,720
going on they can come from over there

1151
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:42,599
into ours and sometimes we're and then

1152
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,980
they can go back and you won't see them

1153
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,900
but they can show up for a while and

1154
00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:47,700
kind of see if you're worth

1155
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:50,460
interacting with you know or do you even

1156
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:52,380
see them do you even notice them or do

1157
00:45:56,329 --> 00:45:54,420
you run away in Terror even at this

1158
00:45:58,730 --> 00:45:56,339
thing with Stephen grew up Maguire

1159
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:58,740
Rancho that was pretty shocking about

1160
00:46:01,550 --> 00:46:00,420
half the group saw it the other half was

1161
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:01,560
looking the other way it was up there

1162
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:03,060
for about five or ten seconds

1163
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:05,160
it was I felt pretty strange for a

1164
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:07,140
couple days after that you know I'm kind

1165
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,940
of in this area so wow yeah Debs

1166
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:14,880
so I know that you have pondered The

1167
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,540
Relic hominid Theory and that's the path

1168
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:20,160
that I'm going down right now I'm

1169
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,200
looking a lot at

1170
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,680
um little people uh like yeah the pygmy

1171
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,839
people that still exist today and

1172
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:29,700
historically

1173
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:32,700
um you know some smaller people that

1174
00:46:37,309 --> 00:46:35,640
we've found the fossils of and the

1175
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:37,319
possibility that they're connected to

1176
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:39,300
goblins so I was wondering what your

1177
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:40,680
thoughts were on some of these other

1178
00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:45,900
Cryptids like dog man and goblins Pepe

1179
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,119
great question

1180
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,640
yeah so the first time someone asked me

1181
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:53,520
about dog man it was Matt Hines on his

1182
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:57,000
uh encounters USA YouTube channel and I

1183
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:58,980
thought are you kidding me dog man it

1184
00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:01,079
wouldn't be some sort of super superhero

1185
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:05,099
from a Marvel movie you know I mean and

1186
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:08,280
I started I I'm a kind of well I'm

1187
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:10,260
reasonable I bought some books and I

1188
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,180
couldn't believe the encounters how

1189
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,400
similar they were you know they looks

1190
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,040
like a great uh you know a German

1191
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:19,920
shepherd on two legs super muscular like

1192
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,560
a bodybuilder really scary does not have

1193
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:24,960
a nice look on it when it's staring at

1194
00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:28,079
you and it sometimes it chases cars onto

1195
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:30,180
the highway and like you get the feeling

1196
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:32,040
like you're gonna die if you don't get

1197
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:34,680
out of there pretty quick so my feeling

1198
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:36,540
is and I'm glad you asked that debt

1199
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,500
because I've been thinking about this a

1200
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:39,839
lot I think these are all real I think

1201
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:41,640
these are absolutely real and I'm gonna

1202
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:43,619
go with the psychologist and Flash of

1203
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:45,240
Beauty on this one we're forgetting

1204
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:47,220
about it we're pushing it away it causes

1205
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,619
PTSD we know it does especially these

1206
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:51,119
dog man encounters

1207
00:47:54,589 --> 00:47:52,980
and the little people I mean the Native

1208
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:54,599
Americans talked about the little people

1209
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:56,099
they said those were the ones you had to

1210
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:58,500
watch out for bigfoot was a pushover

1211
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:01,319
compared to the little people uh drawing

1212
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:04,560
you into the woods yes people have heard

1213
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:07,380
these birds that mimic their songs they

1214
00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:09,060
were playing I play out there in the

1215
00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:11,160
dark with my guitar sometimes just to

1216
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:13,079
see if I can get a response they like

1217
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:14,400
music I mean it's a good way to start

1218
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:15,960
off a relationship is with some songs

1219
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,040
but no Deb I think I have to be honest I

1220
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:22,079
think there are tons of different types

1221
00:48:26,089 --> 00:48:23,940
of Cryptids they may be rare

1222
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,099
uh maybe sashwatch is the most

1223
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:28,800
encountered one but I've just read too

1224
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:30,780
many witness encounters now with dog man

1225
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,420
little people even Thunderbirds I've

1226
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,040
talked to Witnesses have told me they

1227
00:48:39,069 --> 00:48:36,720
know people have seen the Thunderbirds

1228
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,079
up on the crow reservation in Montana

1229
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:41,280
because I when I go around I talk to

1230
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:43,020
people and I bring the subject up and

1231
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,220
there are so many people who have

1232
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:45,599
experiences or know people have had

1233
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:48,420
experiences so my feeling about it is

1234
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:50,940
we're the ones that are too restricted

1235
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,160
and too narrow I think these Cryptids

1236
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:55,680
really literally exist they may not

1237
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:58,200
always be in a physical reality form

1238
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:01,260
they could morph into our reality

1239
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:03,540
they could come out of a portal or a

1240
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:05,880
ball of light but look there are too

1241
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:08,819
many witness encounters and it took

1242
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,880
myself to start reading books about it

1243
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:13,920
and watching videos and listening to the

1244
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:16,140
podcast that we all listen to

1245
00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:18,540
uh Dave Scott's Channel and so forth and

1246
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,980
I'm listening I'm saying this is so

1247
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:21,300
consistent and these people don't even

1248
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,980
want to give their first name sometimes

1249
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:25,200
they have nothing to benefit from making

1250
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:27,660
this up and they seem really reluctant

1251
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:30,119
to share the story this is what we call

1252
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:32,099
in sociology a hidden event it's things

1253
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,780
that people are experiencing that

1254
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:35,760
they're not sharing because again

1255
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:38,700
because of stigma and ridicule so I

1256
00:49:43,150 --> 00:49:40,859
think there are many types of Cryptids I

1257
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:43,160
have never seen any that I remember

1258
00:49:47,809 --> 00:49:45,960
consciously but if you look at the

1259
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:47,819
accounts there's the little people the

1260
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:49,800
dog men in some states you see more of

1261
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:51,420
them I even talked to a psychologist

1262
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,359
psychiatrist recently uh Robert Schwartz

1263
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,640
who's in Dark Matter monsters he he

1264
00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:59,280
wanted me to put this in he encountered

1265
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:00,780
patients who had

1266
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,540
seen dog man or Bigfoot uh from a kid

1267
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:05,460
since they were kids or during hunting

1268
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:07,380
something like this and he initially

1269
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:08,940
thought maybe they're delusional or

1270
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,980
schizophrenic nope he gave them all the

1271
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:13,200
tests that psychiatrists have and they

1272
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,940
were totally normal people

1273
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:16,859
who had really and he realized they had

1274
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,420
really seen this and they just didn't

1275
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:19,680
want to share it with anyone they were

1276
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:21,180
coming to him for help

1277
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:24,000
so these are all real and maybe you'll

1278
00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:25,380
get to experience one of them hopefully

1279
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,060
in a positive way not all these

1280
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:29,040
encounters seem friendly and I would

1281
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:31,800
hope that the ones that you encounter

1282
00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:34,440
are positive I don't know what's going

1283
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,540
on with some of these Cryptids where

1284
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:38,280
some of them are from what they think

1285
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:39,660
about us

1286
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:41,640
this is a real mystery none of us really

1287
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,740
know what's going on here nobody and I

1288
00:50:46,609 --> 00:50:45,000
don't think we've had any help from the

1289
00:50:48,049 --> 00:50:46,619
scientific community that wants to say

1290
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:48,059
you saw a bear

1291
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:52,079
I'm not given to conspiracy theories a

1292
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,079
lot but when people talk about that the

1293
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:58,559
the the dog ban and I've heard I I can't

1294
00:51:02,569 --> 00:51:00,180
say that I've heard a lot of Encounters

1295
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:02,579
of it but I understand that they're

1296
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:04,920
I mean I've heard in conjunction with

1297
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,140
Bigfoot encounters that people that have

1298
00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:09,420
also seen dog man and supposedly they're

1299
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,260
quite aggressive uh more so generally in

1300
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:16,400
general than than the the bigfoots are

1301
00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:20,160
and I actually would entertain the fact

1302
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:21,720
that maybe they try to hybridize

1303
00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:24,599
something in a lab and and it and it

1304
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:27,000
escaped I normally you know these guys

1305
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:29,460
will tell you I'm not I'm not I'm not a

1306
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:31,140
big conspiracy theorist because I feel

1307
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:33,420
like that once you dive into that hole

1308
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:35,819
you're never going to get out but it I

1309
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:37,740
I'm not sure that that's a natural

1310
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,800
creature you know or I've ever you know

1311
00:51:45,290 --> 00:51:42,960
that that's you know ceased to evolve

1312
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:45,300
the way that that Sasquatch I think is a

1313
00:51:48,589 --> 00:51:46,740
different thing and we're gonna my next

1314
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:48,599
question is going to be that but do you

1315
00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:51,900
think that that is something that was uh

1316
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:54,540
perhaps synthetically created in a

1317
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:56,760
laboratory environment

1318
00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:59,520
uh maybe not our Laboratories I don't

1319
00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:01,140
know if we know how to do that but

1320
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,200
perhaps extraterrestrial hybridization I

1321
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:06,000
mean

1322
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:07,440
there's a lot of types of

1323
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,240
extraterrestrials out there and some of

1324
00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:11,280
them may have come here to do

1325
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:13,800
experiments or to see what they could do

1326
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:16,020
with the biosphere and different species

1327
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:17,940
that are here

1328
00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:19,980
um maybe this will come out over the

1329
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:22,140
course of Our Lives as a result of the

1330
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:24,599
types of disclosure we're starting to

1331
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:25,619
get

1332
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:29,400
around UFO uip topic I mean that would

1333
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:30,780
be a big one but I think anyone

1334
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:32,339
listening right here would not be

1335
00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:34,980
totally shocked to maybe learn that

1336
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,619
there's hybridization that's gone on and

1337
00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:39,359
that's maybe why we look the way we look

1338
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,099
compared to we don't seem to look like

1339
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,960
any other species on the planet I mean

1340
00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:45,119
there's different types of squirrels and

1341
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:47,940
different types of cats but we sort of

1342
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:51,000
look different I mean why and we don't

1343
00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:52,680
even look remotely close to the other

1344
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,260
primates so you start to have to wonder

1345
00:53:01,549 --> 00:52:58,559
so maybe I don't know I'm speculating

1346
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:01,559
here but I would imagine dog man and I

1347
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,180
would imagine some of these creatures

1348
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,800
are indigenous and this is sort of what

1349
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:06,960
I argue in Dark Matter monsters any of

1350
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:08,220
life forms that have been around on

1351
00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:09,900
Earth for hundreds of thousands of years

1352
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,780
might have naturally

1353
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:13,619
acquired these would appear to be

1354
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:15,480
superpowers just because I believe it's

1355
00:53:18,890 --> 00:53:17,099
built into nature you know cold fusion

1356
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:18,900
low energy nuclear reaction and I

1357
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,700
explained that in the book and it's a

1358
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:22,559
large topic but why this is how nature

1359
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:24,300
works and it wouldn't be surprising if

1360
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,760
defense contractors are patenting some

1361
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:28,559
of these now that someone already didn't

1362
00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:30,660
figure out how to cloak and Trent

1363
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,579
teleport and become invisible and they

1364
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:34,079
don't want to show you how they do it I

1365
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,880
mean they like this ability they have

1366
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:38,160
vis-a-vis so they're not showing us how

1367
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:40,440
they do it if we're just learning about

1368
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:41,880
these things now I'm sure other species

1369
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:43,260
already know how to do it just like

1370
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,420
there's electric eels and cuttlefish and

1371
00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:47,280
octopus that can instantly camouflage

1372
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,660
you know what I mean so why wouldn't

1373
00:53:54,410 --> 00:53:50,160
there be mammals that can do this too

1374
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:54,420
but it's a really good question DJ my I

1375
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:56,520
and this is opinion I feel that some of

1376
00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:58,740
this perhaps dog man because they seem

1377
00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:01,800
to have human characteristics and that

1378
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:05,720
of a unfriendly German Shepherd

1379
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:10,980
and about six eight feet tall uh really

1380
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:13,079
good snarl and really Fierce looking

1381
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:15,240
eyes you're running when he's you're

1382
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:16,740
getting out of there pretty quick yeah

1383
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,780
and they can appear like behind you then

1384
00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:20,880
they're in front of you like really

1385
00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:22,140
interesting stuff like you'd see the

1386
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,079
Road Runner do and cartoons we used to

1387
00:54:28,329 --> 00:54:27,359
watch in Saturday morning yeah just like

1388
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:28,339
that

1389
00:54:35,089 --> 00:54:33,359
you know uh just crazy uh I'm wondering

1390
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:35,099
whether they're a type of hybridization

1391
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:36,780
of us and

1392
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:39,480
canines I I don't know I I'd really like

1393
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:41,579
to know and whoever knows is not talking

1394
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,040
very much about it the other ones

1395
00:54:48,049 --> 00:54:46,079
there's so many there are other types of

1396
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:48,059
Cryptids too and maybe some of them are

1397
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:50,040
just natural and maybe they learned how

1398
00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:52,500
to go into parallel realities

1399
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:55,020
uh when they want to go so they're in

1400
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,700
another version of Earth that we don't

1401
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:58,079
see most of the time but then they say

1402
00:55:03,530 --> 00:54:59,940
let's go back to see when the humans are

1403
00:55:05,170 --> 00:55:03,540
are at and you know pick up a few deer

1404
00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:05,180
while we're there

1405
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:07,859
it will get into you know at the end I'm

1406
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,319
kind of kind of try to get your complete

1407
00:55:14,569 --> 00:55:13,200
hypothesis on what you think Bigfoot is

1408
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,579
I have a

1409
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:16,800
just a working hypothesis nothing more

1410
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:19,380
than that but just an opinion it and and

1411
00:55:25,309 --> 00:55:21,900
I would say a marginally marginally

1412
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:25,319
well-informed opinion at best but

1413
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:26,940
um first of all I have two questions one

1414
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:29,700
are you going to play music tonight

1415
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:36,530
or do we have to get buy you alcohol

1416
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,819
no I would have to set this up on the

1417
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:40,800
hood of my vehicle I'm at a truck stop

1418
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,280
oh all right yeah this is perfect we're

1419
00:55:49,069 --> 00:55:46,400
at a week this can be very honky tonkish

1420
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:49,079
I have my guitar in the back because

1421
00:55:52,609 --> 00:55:50,819
I've been playing for friends on this

1422
00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:52,619
whole trip all up and down the Northwest

1423
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,660
through Utah and everywhere we've been

1424
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:56,160
having a lot of fun

1425
00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:58,680
so it's feasible if you gave me a minute

1426
00:56:01,730 --> 00:56:00,540
to get the guitar I know it's in tune

1427
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:01,740
because I was just playing last night

1428
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:04,500
for some all right let me look maybe

1429
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,660
she'll post it on YouTube uh it's

1430
00:56:10,750 --> 00:56:08,880
possible I could see I'm I'm on an iPad

1431
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:10,760
right now we could put it on the hood

1432
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,740
and it's a truck stop who doesn't like

1433
00:56:19,630 --> 00:56:16,160
finger picking American Primitives

1434
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:19,640
maybe I'll get some tips

1435
00:56:24,770 --> 00:56:21,780
I'm happy to do that at the end because

1436
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,780
I think we're in uh we're in open G

1437
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:27,119
tuning from last night this could work

1438
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,880
that's a good idea we'll have you check

1439
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:32,400
this out with music no I got to say

1440
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,599
something to everyone right here sure

1441
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,240
this Cryptid topic is one of the biggest

1442
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,640
shocks of my life to realize how real it

1443
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:40,559
is I have heard the stories from

1444
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,380
Witnesses gone about 15 years it just

1445
00:56:46,849 --> 00:56:44,880
didn't sink in it kind of even with me

1446
00:56:48,589 --> 00:56:46,859
it went one in in your one in your web

1447
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,599
of the other and I didn't know how to

1448
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:50,640
make sense of it and I believed what I

1449
00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:52,140
had heard from the people on late night

1450
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:53,940
shows that radio shows that we're all

1451
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:55,260
familiar with you know

1452
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,000
coast to coast and others it's just a

1453
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,280
relic primate it's a very rare ape and I

1454
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:01,680
sort of bought into that and that meant

1455
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:03,180
I'm probably never going to see it and

1456
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:04,619
it's just another type of rare animal

1457
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:07,140
and that it didn't really resonate but

1458
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:10,500
to really realize to see how many read

1459
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,540
how many encounters to talk to Witnesses

1460
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:14,640
I even had it happen to a friend

1461
00:57:19,609 --> 00:57:17,099
recently in Arizona where she didn't

1462
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:19,619
believe in it until she can't she talked

1463
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:21,180
to me and then said I'm not into that

1464
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,559
stubborn she means into what I told her

1465
00:57:25,609 --> 00:57:24,240
I was writing the book six months ago we

1466
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,619
hadn't seen each other in a while we had

1467
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:27,359
taken RV together

1468
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:30,480
and she went back to her her family's

1469
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:33,599
remote you know vacation cabin in

1470
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:35,339
Arizona she started seeing the tree

1471
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,480
structures

1472
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:38,640
she used to think that they were made by

1473
00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:40,980
Boy Scouts though she never saw any Boy

1474
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:42,119
Scouts she couldn't understand what

1475
00:57:45,370 --> 00:57:44,280
would make teepees right around the

1476
00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:45,380
house

1477
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:48,780
Big Trees across other trees with no

1478
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:50,819
sign how they got there

1479
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,859
like she thought the forest service was

1480
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:55,200
straightening trees like they were and

1481
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,079
strange smells at night like wet dogs or

1482
00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:00,240
skunks but it didn't smell like anything

1483
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:11,950
[Music]

1484
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:14,870
oh those are just normal fires them so

1485
00:58:19,309 --> 00:58:16,800
she had dismissed it

1486
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:19,319
but she came to talk to me in Boulder

1487
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:22,140
just so we'd catch up after a while she

1488
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:23,280
went home thinking you know simeon's

1489
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:25,380
distant to this weird stuff it's not my

1490
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:26,940
thing and she called me you know she

1491
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,440
told me that but then she started

1492
00:58:32,569 --> 00:58:30,720
looking around she started handling the

1493
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:32,579
tree structures

1494
00:58:36,109 --> 00:58:34,260
if you don't want attention from

1495
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:36,119
Sasquatch do not touch their tree

1496
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:38,220
structures because she got the attention

1497
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,000
they started approaching the cabin the

1498
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:43,920
condo out there

1499
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:46,640
and leaving

1500
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:50,460
Big Sticks against the back of the house

1501
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:53,700
kind of it was about 20 condos out by

1502
00:58:58,910 --> 00:58:55,559
themselves in an area out there

1503
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:58,920
and uh then she saw she finally said I'm

1504
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,420
never she was almost too afraid to go

1505
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:01,920
back she started going she didn't tell

1506
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,099
me this until recently she went back

1507
00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:07,200
and she's looking out the window and she

1508
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:10,020
sees something really dark

1509
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:11,640
that was never there before she was

1510
00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:14,220
thinking it's a shadow

1511
00:59:19,849 --> 00:59:17,640
or a bear until it stood up and she saw

1512
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:19,859
eyes looking at her

1513
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:22,680
10 feet high or more

1514
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:24,540
and

1515
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,240
it it was like a movie she

1516
00:59:31,309 --> 00:59:29,280
she couldn't handle it it moved behind a

1517
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:31,319
tree and it's walking on two legs and I

1518
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:33,180
was moving behind the other side she

1519
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:35,460
realized Simeon was talking about it and

1520
00:59:40,250 --> 00:59:38,880
it was so it's that she got in the

1521
00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:40,260
vehicle and gunned it out of the garage

1522
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,780
without even locking the door turning

1523
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:44,160
the lights out or taking her laptop

1524
00:59:49,849 --> 00:59:47,460
think about it it's like a movie it was

1525
00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:49,859
too much to deal with she said when

1526
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:51,780
they're looking at you

1527
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,640
we all need some preparation for this

1528
00:59:57,410 --> 00:59:55,440
because when they're looking at you and

1529
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:57,420
this is what Barbara said in the

1530
01:00:01,069 --> 00:59:59,579
Smithsonian dig interview from last week

1531
01:00:02,270 --> 01:00:01,079
two about two weeks ago when they're

1532
01:00:03,950 --> 01:00:02,280
staring at you there's something very

1533
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:03,960
hypnotic about that stare they're

1534
01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:06,540
related to us in some way we're cousins

1535
01:00:10,430 --> 01:00:07,559
or something

1536
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:10,440
and uh they're just a lot bigger cousins

1537
01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:12,119
you know

1538
01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:14,579
Jake it's something hypnotic and you you

1539
01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:17,160
sort of want to interact with them at

1540
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:18,359
one level

1541
01:00:24,109 --> 01:00:21,059
and yet the other level he's everybody

1542
01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:24,119
was terrified and the witch run wins out

1543
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,960
is Ron Moorhead into Sierra sounds the

1544
01:00:32,809 --> 01:00:29,760
Curiosity side of him went out and

1545
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:32,819
recorded years of the Sasquatch speak

1546
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,339
you know the Beast the reverse Samurai

1547
01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:37,440
reverse Samurai speech them talking to

1548
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:39,000
each other you know those guys overcame

1549
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:41,400
Their Fear of bidding interacted had

1550
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,660
they never had anything harmful happen

1551
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:44,640
but some people it's just too terrifying

1552
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,400
so she ended up running out of there and

1553
01:00:52,849 --> 01:00:49,740
I'm wondering how many other people have

1554
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:52,859
been around this but not realized what

1555
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,660
is happening around their remote

1556
01:00:59,049 --> 01:00:57,119
location because they're not trained to

1557
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,059
look at the signs

1558
01:01:03,230 --> 01:01:01,440
let's talk about the signs real quick

1559
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:03,240
because that that really was the Crux of

1560
01:01:07,789 --> 01:01:06,420
my question I think that there is

1561
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,799
probably

1562
01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:09,839
people you know there's a cognitive

1563
01:01:13,609 --> 01:01:11,700
dissonance when they're in the forest

1564
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:13,619
and something's being tossed at them and

1565
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:15,960
we all know that other than us there's

1566
01:01:19,549 --> 01:01:17,700
nothing that roams around the force that

1567
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,559
can throw things you know Bears don't

1568
01:01:23,329 --> 01:01:21,359
throw things cougars don't throw things

1569
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:23,339
squirrels and deer don't throw things

1570
01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:26,400
but when rocks are you know landing on

1571
01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:28,200
the path in front of you I mean there's

1572
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:30,599
a cognitive hey I wonder what that is

1573
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:33,000
what do you think yeah yeah what do you

1574
01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:34,740
think it is you know it's not Jimmy

1575
01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:38,700
you're hearing like an animal okay it's

1576
01:01:42,289 --> 01:01:40,619
decided that but but I want to get to

1577
01:01:43,609 --> 01:01:42,299
structure I want to ask you about these

1578
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:43,619
structures because

1579
01:01:48,770 --> 01:01:46,260
I think there's again I think that that

1580
01:01:50,890 --> 01:01:48,780
we have built certain Mysteries into the

1581
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:50,900
creature that we kind of understand

1582
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,920
whether or not we want to understand

1583
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,720
them they've shown some very human

1584
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:56,880
Tendencies they've lifted up children

1585
01:02:01,849 --> 01:01:59,460
taking them out of it there was a couple

1586
01:02:04,849 --> 01:02:01,859
of children yeah I think it was in Ohio

1587
01:02:06,730 --> 01:02:04,859
one of them broke his back climbing a

1588
01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:06,740
tree the other one ran to get the mother

1589
01:02:12,349 --> 01:02:10,260
and Sasquatch lifted the child out of

1590
01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:12,359
the tree and placed him on the ground at

1591
01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:13,619
the base of the tree by the time it's

1592
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:15,420
right out there a lot of stories like

1593
01:02:19,609 --> 01:02:18,000
that where they rescue kids yeah there's

1594
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:19,619
several of those but what I want to ask

1595
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:22,799
you your hypothesis on because I suppose

1596
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:24,660
that you've seen these on some of your

1597
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,880
your investigations particularly maybe

1598
01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:29,280
even the one you went on in Bailey is

1599
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,799
when they they construct these

1600
01:02:36,530 --> 01:02:34,319
structures in the woods that are you we

1601
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:36,540
you talked about the trees that are that

1602
01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:39,180
are put together in a certain pattern or

1603
01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:41,480
that are bent over and wound together

1604
01:02:47,809 --> 01:02:45,180
some of these patterns and I'm also told

1605
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,819
by some of the experts that it's not

1606
01:02:52,370 --> 01:02:49,920
Regional that they'll some of them are

1607
01:02:55,789 --> 01:02:52,380
in Florida like that in Alabama and Ohio

1608
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:55,799
and out west and so I was going to ask

1609
01:03:01,849 --> 01:02:59,040
you have you done a dive or thought

1610
01:03:04,370 --> 01:03:01,859
about what you think they mean we don't

1611
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,380
I don't know that any of us knows

1612
01:03:08,930 --> 01:03:06,480
because they can't speak English and

1613
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:08,940
answer us uh in that although they they

1614
01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:11,460
appear to understand English they can

1615
01:03:15,770 --> 01:03:13,260
speak they can speak English when they

1616
01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:15,780
want to they can't they can say Possible

1617
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:17,700
English possible and they can you're

1618
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:20,220
right but I mean they they're not yeah I

1619
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:21,480
don't know if they have the cognition to

1620
01:03:24,650 --> 01:03:23,400
explain we should get one around here

1621
01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:24,660
and ask them right now what are you

1622
01:03:29,569 --> 01:03:27,660
doing but what do you think that some of

1623
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,579
those mean are there any that you've

1624
01:03:32,510 --> 01:03:31,440
been able to decode that you've seen

1625
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:32,520
Simeon

1626
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:39,650
this is just you know again

1627
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,180
ideas possibilities my friend from

1628
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:44,400
Arizona when she started handling the

1629
01:03:47,450 --> 01:03:45,540
tree structures

1630
01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:47,460
she felt like they were some sort of

1631
01:03:53,089 --> 01:03:50,940
motion detector for humans to detect

1632
01:03:55,069 --> 01:03:53,099
things walking around the area that they

1633
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:55,079
were like an antenna structure

1634
01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:57,359
personally that resonates with me

1635
01:04:01,130 --> 01:03:59,099
I think we're all antenna structures

1636
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:01,140
we're all antenna structures picking up

1637
01:04:07,069 --> 01:04:03,420
various aspects of reality all the time

1638
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:07,079
anyway that's what RV shows us she felt

1639
01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:08,460
like they didn't come closer till she

1640
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:09,960
started touching the tree structures

1641
01:04:14,329 --> 01:04:12,420
like they really knew she was around and

1642
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:14,339
they can sort of perceive reality

1643
01:04:17,809 --> 01:04:15,960
through those tree structures I

1644
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:17,819
obviously other researchers have thought

1645
01:04:22,609 --> 01:04:20,160
their ways of marking territory it's

1646
01:04:25,450 --> 01:04:22,619
like a pseudo house but but directions

1647
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:25,460
home for the young ones yes

1648
01:04:32,510 --> 01:04:29,760
it could be something like that um

1649
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:32,520
but the antenna structure I like that I

1650
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:35,520
like that because I like the resonance

1651
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:37,500
idea just because I personally like that

1652
01:04:41,809 --> 01:04:39,540
idea you like it it could be all of the

1653
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,819
above yeah but she felt like it was a

1654
01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:43,680
sort of a mistake for her to handle this

1655
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,680
tree structures hers look like teepees

1656
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,960
built of sticks and again she initially

1657
01:04:52,730 --> 01:04:50,400
thought it must have been Boy Scouts

1658
01:04:54,349 --> 01:04:52,740
practicing something in the woods but

1659
01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:54,359
that's when they started coming closer

1660
01:04:58,849 --> 01:04:55,980
and she felt like

1661
01:05:00,770 --> 01:04:58,859
they really knew she was there or if you

1662
01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:00,780
know they felt get more comfortable to

1663
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:02,460
come closer I mean a lot of people would

1664
01:05:06,530 --> 01:05:04,680
love to have contact like she had we'd

1665
01:05:08,329 --> 01:05:06,540
love to have gotten pictures and say

1666
01:05:11,630 --> 01:05:08,339
come on in the house we've got dinner

1667
01:05:14,450 --> 01:05:11,640
for you we've got fresh venison here I'm

1668
01:05:15,710 --> 01:05:14,460
cooked and everything you like apples

1669
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,720
and cookies

1670
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:17,520
all the things they seem to peanut

1671
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:19,740
butter they really seem to like that but

1672
01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:22,140
um some people would have said please

1673
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,599
come over I can't wait to meet you I'll

1674
01:05:29,289 --> 01:05:26,160
come out to you right now we know people

1675
01:05:32,030 --> 01:05:29,299
like that okay

1676
01:05:34,849 --> 01:05:32,040
Julie told me to bring tobacco and I

1677
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:34,859
feel like that is cancer causing I feel

1678
01:05:39,230 --> 01:05:36,960
like you should Council Julie on this I

1679
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:39,240
don't know you don't want to harm this

1680
01:05:43,970 --> 01:05:41,240
awesome folks I have a petition on

1681
01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:43,980
change.org to protect to give them some

1682
01:05:47,690 --> 01:05:46,140
sort of federal recognition absolutely I

1683
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:47,700
think that would be a good idea in the

1684
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:51,119
long run it's certainly very complex but

1685
01:05:54,289 --> 01:05:52,079
um

1686
01:05:55,490 --> 01:05:54,299
it's a good question what those mean I

1687
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:55,500
don't know exactly those are some of my

1688
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:57,780
ideas about it all right I have one

1689
01:06:01,549 --> 01:06:00,240
question I'm going to ask Nathan and and

1690
01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:01,559
then I'm going to take it to Debs and

1691
01:06:04,609 --> 01:06:03,960
then yourself Nathan

1692
01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:04,619
um

1693
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:06,839
I'm sure you've heard Wes germer say

1694
01:06:14,329 --> 01:06:10,980
this I've heard some other uh some of

1695
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:14,339
the first person encounters say this and

1696
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:18,480
they say I hope I want it to be this

1697
01:06:24,170 --> 01:06:21,720
or I want it to be that and

1698
01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:24,180
and I'm curious where you think that

1699
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:27,480
comes from that I want as opposed to I

1700
01:06:32,329 --> 01:06:29,520
don't I'm not so interested to know

1701
01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:32,339
exactly what it is I'm rooting for it to

1702
01:06:35,569 --> 01:06:33,480
be something

1703
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:35,579
can you talk about that and then pass it

1704
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,520
to Debs yeah that's a good one

1705
01:06:42,829 --> 01:06:41,039
um I mean usually when we say we want it

1706
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:42,839
means we

1707
01:06:47,089 --> 01:06:44,640
we you know we're trying to control

1708
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:47,099
something you know in some way you know

1709
01:06:52,910 --> 01:06:48,960
I want I want things to be a certain way

1710
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,920
I want control of a certain situation

1711
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:53,760
um

1712
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,760
or it's almost a kind of anxiety even

1713
01:07:00,349 --> 01:06:58,799
you know things aren't this way I want

1714
01:07:02,029 --> 01:07:00,359
them to be this way so there's a

1715
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:02,039
disconnect between how things are and

1716
01:07:07,849 --> 01:07:05,160
how things you know should be

1717
01:07:09,049 --> 01:07:07,859
um so I you know I look at that from the

1718
01:07:11,809 --> 01:07:09,059
standpoint of

1719
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:11,819
a Clarity of knowing you know I want it

1720
01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:13,980
to be this because that gives me this

1721
01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:16,380
greater Clarity of knowledge

1722
01:07:20,930 --> 01:07:18,420
that I don't have right now

1723
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,940
in in knowledge I feel more comfortable

1724
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:23,280
you know it it fits within a paradigm

1725
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,460
that I can then navigate if I don't

1726
01:07:31,930 --> 01:07:28,559
understand it if it remains Elusive and

1727
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:31,940
mysterious then it's outside of my

1728
01:07:37,130 --> 01:07:35,160
capacity you know to really uh be

1729
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:37,140
comfortable in because I don't know what

1730
01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:38,460
it can do to me I don't know what it's

1731
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:41,400
capable of you know can can I re reform

1732
01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:44,400
reformat that real quick sure it's it's

1733
01:07:48,410 --> 01:07:46,680
built around and again I'm going to take

1734
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:48,420
the same question to Deb and then to

1735
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:49,680
Simeon

1736
01:07:56,510 --> 01:07:53,760
um and and Wes says this is that I want

1737
01:07:58,490 --> 01:07:56,520
it to be an ape like if if you want to

1738
01:08:00,890 --> 01:07:58,500
tell me that I've had this hair tested

1739
01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:00,900
I've had this blood or stool sample test

1740
01:08:05,210 --> 01:08:03,780
we we have a lot of stools of this

1741
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:05,220
creature

1742
01:08:10,609 --> 01:08:07,859
um and it and that that is part human or

1743
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:10,619
it's not in genbank ETC

1744
01:08:13,609 --> 01:08:11,280
um

1745
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,619
when they say I want it to be an ape is

1746
01:08:18,530 --> 01:08:15,720
that an elitism where does that come

1747
01:08:20,809 --> 01:08:18,540
from that I want it to be an ape

1748
01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:20,819
it's funny I'm thinking of the opposite

1749
01:08:25,370 --> 01:08:22,859
of I don't think of it as elitism I

1750
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:25,380
think it's it almost is like I'm looking

1751
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:27,540
for something that will inspire me is

1752
01:08:31,729 --> 01:08:29,640
what I'm getting from that you know like

1753
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:31,739
that's what I get from that really

1754
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:33,420
because I get I get a different feeling

1755
01:08:40,249 --> 01:08:37,560
from that like I think so I I feel like

1756
01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:40,259
I get you know like I I want to believe

1757
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:42,660
in magic or I want to find the missing

1758
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,000
link or you know something amazing I

1759
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:46,799
want to be amazed is what I get from

1760
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:48,839
that I feel like you've never heard Wes

1761
01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:51,000
I think that's why you're not familiar

1762
01:08:55,249 --> 01:08:53,100
with Wes but Nathan is familiar with Wes

1763
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:55,259
and then pass it to Simeon

1764
01:08:58,669 --> 01:08:57,239
Yeah well yeah I understand what you're

1765
01:09:01,249 --> 01:08:58,679
saying there you know I want it to be an

1766
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:01,259
ape again I think it's um

1767
01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:03,420
you know someone who says that from my

1768
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:06,420
perspective is wanting to categorize it

1769
01:09:11,329 --> 01:09:08,580
as another animal

1770
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:11,339
in this in this old school dichotomy

1771
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:13,799
animal humans animals you know like it's

1772
01:09:19,370 --> 01:09:17,580
this you know they're not within that if

1773
01:09:21,769 --> 01:09:19,380
they if they're if they become human or

1774
01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:21,779
humanoid or human-like or sentient in

1775
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,400
the way that we understand sentience I

1776
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,199
mean it's funny because a lot of these

1777
01:09:30,769 --> 01:09:28,080
topics really I think expose these

1778
01:09:33,289 --> 01:09:30,779
assumptions that we have held for so

1779
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,299
very long all of us were born into a

1780
01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:35,279
world where these ideas

1781
01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:37,739
have just been so pervasive and we're

1782
01:09:41,570 --> 01:09:39,540
now we're now coming to a place where

1783
01:09:43,490 --> 01:09:41,580
realizing well geez like

1784
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:43,500
everything that we've we've said before

1785
01:09:49,490 --> 01:09:46,380
isn't sentient conscious or you know any

1786
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,500
on any sort of uh tier that we're on

1787
01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:51,359
well actually a lot of things are are

1788
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,400
operating in a similar tier and have a

1789
01:09:57,770 --> 01:09:55,199
similar kind of intelligence that we

1790
01:10:00,350 --> 01:09:57,780
have and what does that do to the way in

1791
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:00,360
which we interact with life right if

1792
01:10:05,870 --> 01:10:03,480
we're now saying an octopus has a

1793
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:05,880
certain specialized intelligence well

1794
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:07,860
that changes our the way we're going to

1795
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:10,140
relate with that species at least you

1796
01:10:14,150 --> 01:10:11,520
know you would think that it would from

1797
01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:14,160
an ethical standpoint so you know it it

1798
01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:16,679
makes things way more complicated and we

1799
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:18,840
really like things to be nice and tidy

1800
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:21,480
and clean and Humanity everything else

1801
01:10:25,250 --> 01:10:23,580
we have dominion over the rest of this

1802
01:10:27,709 --> 01:10:25,260
world all these things are old school

1803
01:10:29,930 --> 01:10:27,719
Concepts that come from a lot of our

1804
01:10:31,729 --> 01:10:29,940
religious mythologies and you know it's

1805
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:31,739
I think it's an interesting time and and

1806
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:34,620
these subjects really do kind of open

1807
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,840
this up again and and cause us to

1808
01:10:41,390 --> 01:10:39,120
challenge our assumptions

1809
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:41,400
Simeon I'm not invested in what this is

1810
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:44,280
whatever that those DNA samples say is

1811
01:10:47,810 --> 01:10:45,960
not going to make me feel either better

1812
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:47,820
or worse

1813
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:50,880
it that overused phrase it is what it is

1814
01:10:56,090 --> 01:10:54,000
actually is apropos in this situation oh

1815
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:56,100
yeah but go ahead your your thoughts sir

1816
01:11:01,729 --> 01:10:59,040
on uh well I really want it to be an ape

1817
01:11:03,770 --> 01:11:01,739
when you hear that

1818
01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:03,780
yeah that we've all you know just as

1819
01:11:07,610 --> 01:11:05,219
Nathan is saying we've all been brought

1820
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:07,620
up to believe we're the top dog on the

1821
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,320
planet you know we're the height of some

1822
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,000
creators creation

1823
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,640
we're As Good As It Gets and and we've

1824
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,080
all been taught this by our religions

1825
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,000
and our science that we're the apex

1826
01:11:21,649 --> 01:11:20,640
predator whatever we've been taught it's

1827
01:11:24,770 --> 01:11:21,659
not true

1828
01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:24,780
okay and it's very hard for our

1829
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,699
Collective ego to accept that there's

1830
01:11:31,310 --> 01:11:28,320
other species out there that are

1831
01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:31,320
superior to us in in many ways in terms

1832
01:11:35,209 --> 01:11:33,540
of specific abilities we all have a

1833
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:35,219
sense of security or insecurity from

1834
01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:37,020
being part of a society

1835
01:11:42,649 --> 01:11:39,960
anywhere on the planet and this totally

1836
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:42,659
challenges the very fundamentals of what

1837
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,699
we think of as Society

1838
01:11:48,590 --> 01:11:46,800
and some people find that very

1839
01:11:50,930 --> 01:11:48,600
threatening so the easiest way to deal

1840
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,940
with is to deny it say it was a weather

1841
01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:52,080
balloon

1842
01:11:59,930 --> 01:11:56,460
or it was you know it was a flying piece

1843
01:12:02,570 --> 01:11:59,940
it's made by Lockheed man it's made yeah

1844
01:12:04,490 --> 01:12:02,580
it's that's the easiest way for the

1845
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:04,500
collective ego to deal with all this is

1846
01:12:11,450 --> 01:12:08,400
to either deny it or denigrate the

1847
01:12:13,370 --> 01:12:11,460
witnesses or then if it is you can't

1848
01:12:15,950 --> 01:12:13,380
then you got some photos like Patterson

1849
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:15,960
gimlin but you could say well assistant

1850
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:19,560
ape but it isn't uh it's not what the

1851
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:22,400
Witnesses are describing and it's very

1852
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,780
professionals especially are very

1853
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:26,760
comfortable in their status in society

1854
01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:28,380
nobody wants to admit they don't know

1855
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:30,840
what's going on but what we learn in RV

1856
01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:32,460
is you need to suspend your sense of

1857
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:33,780
judgment while you're doing your session

1858
01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:36,360
until you get your feedback at the end

1859
01:12:42,050 --> 01:12:39,420
and that's what RV's greatest you know

1860
01:12:44,209 --> 01:12:42,060
benefit to people is is that it teaches

1861
01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:44,219
you to suspend judgment for 10 minutes

1862
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:45,780
20 minutes an hour however long your

1863
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:47,940
session is we have to do that with some

1864
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:50,460
of these topics until we have more data

1865
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:52,860
we don't have enough information yet to

1866
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:54,300
know exactly what we're dealing with

1867
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,340
somebody has it we know the National

1868
01:13:01,130 --> 01:12:59,040
Forest Service various versions of the

1869
01:13:04,610 --> 01:13:01,140
Departments within the forest of regions

1870
01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:04,620
have Sasquatch reporting forms and I am

1871
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:07,380
sure yes it's in the flash of beauty

1872
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:09,420
there's some display that the Sasquatch

1873
01:13:13,370 --> 01:13:10,800
Outpost in Daily

1874
01:13:15,970 --> 01:13:13,380
uh photos of Sasquatch reporting forms

1875
01:13:18,649 --> 01:13:15,980
I'm sure Dave has talked about this

1876
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:18,659
uh spaced out radio showing these

1877
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:20,460
sometimes no I've seen the forms and

1878
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:21,540
people who've worked there have taken

1879
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,120
pictures and even says at the bottom uh

1880
01:13:29,149 --> 01:13:26,159
joke reports will not be put into the

1881
01:13:30,649 --> 01:13:29,159
database so I mean they're serious so

1882
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:30,659
they why don't you know there's

1883
01:13:33,550 --> 01:13:31,920
something dysfunctional about our

1884
01:13:35,810 --> 01:13:33,560
society we're not dealing with reality

1885
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,820
it's our system

1886
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:37,679
we just don't want to admit we're out of

1887
01:13:41,570 --> 01:13:38,400
control

1888
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:41,580
and what when you meet this creature out

1889
01:13:46,610 --> 01:13:44,460
in the woods it doesn't matter what

1890
01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:46,620
you've got with you

1891
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:49,739
you're you know you're most Fearless

1892
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:51,000
hunting dog

1893
01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:52,860
your biggest weapon it doesn't matter

1894
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:56,580
it's you're gonna feel really afraid

1895
01:14:03,530 --> 01:14:00,239
your dog is going to run away or cower

1896
01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:03,540
between you and your other person and

1897
01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:05,219
you're you're going to be trembling so

1898
01:14:08,030 --> 01:14:06,900
much you wouldn't even be able to aim

1899
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:08,040
that gun

1900
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:11,820
even if you wanted to take a shot uh in

1901
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:13,860
many cases it just seems to disappear in

1902
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:15,900
a flash of light or something when you

1903
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:17,880
do people but people say they're

1904
01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:19,140
trembling so much they couldn't even

1905
01:14:23,810 --> 01:14:21,060
entertain the thought of lifting the

1906
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:23,820
weapon up I mean it's so humbling to be

1907
01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:25,260
around something like this I'm not

1908
01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:26,580
recommending people do that I'm saying

1909
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:28,440
some people have this fear reaction and

1910
01:14:32,270 --> 01:14:30,900
they feel that somehow a firearm is

1911
01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:32,280
going to protect him and then they

1912
01:14:38,689 --> 01:14:34,739
realize this is too big too fast

1913
01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:38,699
and so the way we deal with things that

1914
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,140
are frightening like that is to sort of

1915
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:42,000
put them down and sometimes it can

1916
01:14:45,770 --> 01:14:43,620
become racism you know it's just to put

1917
01:14:48,410 --> 01:14:45,780
down things people that are different

1918
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:48,420
from us cultures it's a negative quality

1919
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,280
we've had as humans but I think we need

1920
01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:52,080
to take a broader approach here we have

1921
01:14:56,510 --> 01:14:54,420
enough Witnesses if we can have openness

1922
01:14:58,430 --> 01:14:56,520
about UFOs UAP like we're starting to

1923
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,440
have thanks to the work of people who've

1924
01:15:02,270 --> 01:14:59,760
been in the government to decide like

1925
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,280
enough is enough and the Navy Pilots we

1926
01:15:07,250 --> 01:15:04,560
can do this with Cryptids too it's not

1927
01:15:09,950 --> 01:15:07,260
the end of us to admit that these

1928
01:15:12,649 --> 01:15:09,960
uh entities exist and I think we should

1929
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,659
have a intelligent way of dealing with

1930
01:15:16,729 --> 01:15:15,120
this and talking about it and giving

1931
01:15:19,130 --> 01:15:16,739
people advice what to do if you

1932
01:15:21,770 --> 01:15:19,140
encounter these rather than just

1933
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:21,780
maintaining a cone of silence doesn't

1934
01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:24,960
get smart you know where you just have

1935
01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:27,480
the tone of Silence it doesn't you know

1936
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:29,159
we don't know what's totally going on

1937
01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:32,820
with this object and we we need to know

1938
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:34,380
are people disappearing out there

1939
01:15:37,610 --> 01:15:36,120
because of these scripted I don't have

1940
01:15:39,229 --> 01:15:37,620
the evidence of that directly but some

1941
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:39,239
of these encounters seem kind of hostile

1942
01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:40,500
from time to time

1943
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:42,840
and there are the Sasquatch getting

1944
01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:44,280
tired of some of these people and say

1945
01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:46,380
okay you're out of here I don't know I

1946
01:15:50,209 --> 01:15:48,179
don't have evidence but we do have

1947
01:15:53,209 --> 01:15:50,219
people disappearing in national parks

1948
01:15:55,130 --> 01:15:53,219
and we know about that subject so is

1949
01:15:56,990 --> 01:15:55,140
this related or not I don't know for

1950
01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:57,000
certain but I think we should have an

1951
01:16:02,450 --> 01:15:59,100
answer it's the same thing you know

1952
01:16:03,950 --> 01:16:02,460
Terry Lovelace in the Devil's Den when I

1953
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:03,960
was talking with him before publishing

1954
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:06,239
Dark Matter monsters and he told me to

1955
01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:07,860
put this in the book with his name he

1956
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,060
said he had gotten a call from

1957
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:11,040
Department Homeland Security and they

1958
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,420
wanted to hear about his incident

1959
01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:14,159
Devil's Den encounter with Toby the

1960
01:16:18,649 --> 01:16:15,420
other medic that was out with him that

1961
01:16:19,550 --> 01:16:18,659
weekend in Arkansas and after he said

1962
01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:19,560
they could have read the book but they

1963
01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:21,000
wanted to hear from him they said well

1964
01:16:25,790 --> 01:16:23,100
we're doing a criminal investigation on

1965
01:16:28,370 --> 01:16:25,800
these sorts of events on abductions

1966
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:28,380
and Terry said I didn't know the US

1967
01:16:31,130 --> 01:16:29,760
government had jurisdiction over

1968
01:16:33,950 --> 01:16:31,140
extraterrestrials

1969
01:16:36,830 --> 01:16:33,960
and he said there was a silence

1970
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:36,840
on the other end of the phone there was

1971
01:16:40,850 --> 01:16:39,420
no answer so they don't know what's

1972
01:16:43,550 --> 01:16:40,860
going on either they're not going to

1973
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:43,560
admit that to the American public but I

1974
01:16:48,169 --> 01:16:45,060
mean we're not kids anymore we're

1975
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:48,179
talking about this with UAP UFO we

1976
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:49,679
should have a discussion of what's going

1977
01:16:54,530 --> 01:16:53,040
on a data I'm a data guy I mean how many

1978
01:16:56,410 --> 01:16:54,540
sightings are there how many encounters

1979
01:16:59,630 --> 01:16:56,420
people should get

1980
01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:59,640
you know a positive response from coming

1981
01:17:04,250 --> 01:17:01,500
from word with Derek we shouldn't have

1982
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:04,260
people moving people are moving from

1983
01:17:07,370 --> 01:17:05,400
their homes when they have these

1984
01:17:09,169 --> 01:17:07,380
Sasquatch encounters as a friend I was

1985
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:09,179
just telling you they sold that place in

1986
01:17:12,830 --> 01:17:10,560
Arizona because they didn't want to deal

1987
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:12,840
with it anymore and you read about this

1988
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:14,820
in these encounters people said I didn't

1989
01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:16,080
sign up for this when I bought the

1990
01:17:21,470 --> 01:17:18,900
property and they moved and I think

1991
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:21,480
I mean I've heard of some that were

1992
01:17:26,990 --> 01:17:24,719
quite violent uh because uh reportedly

1993
01:17:30,169 --> 01:17:27,000
the prior property owner had shot and

1994
01:17:32,450 --> 01:17:30,179
killed one okay and uh the and the

1995
01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:32,460
family uh the family that was left of

1996
01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:34,760
that's a squash absolutely

1997
01:17:40,729 --> 01:17:37,800
so one good investigator said you bought

1998
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,739
that property really really cheap my

1999
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,960
recommendation to you after researching

2000
01:17:46,189 --> 01:17:44,880
is you sell it really really cheap and

2001
01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:46,199
get out of there

2002
01:17:52,490 --> 01:17:48,840
um yeah yeah and we don't we have about

2003
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,500
12 minutes left Nathan is up and Simeon

2004
01:17:58,570 --> 01:17:55,440
has to get his guitar but yeah go ahead

2005
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:00,709
can't wait to hear it

2006
01:18:04,130 --> 01:18:03,120
um so I I guess the question comes to my

2007
01:18:05,930 --> 01:18:04,140
mind

2008
01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:05,940
thinking about dark matter or dark

2009
01:18:09,050 --> 01:18:07,679
energy these percentages that we've

2010
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:09,060
talked about

2011
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,480
are are humans the beings that are

2012
01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:14,400
really the rare types of life you know

2013
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:16,280
are we

2014
01:18:21,169 --> 01:18:18,600
restricted from interacting with the

2015
01:18:23,689 --> 01:18:21,179
broader sort of span of life

2016
01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:23,699
for a reason you know do you think that

2017
01:18:29,810 --> 01:18:26,280
there's a reason why we live in this

2018
01:18:31,390 --> 01:18:29,820
tiny little reality bubble and and these

2019
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:31,400
things seem to have

2020
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:35,040
uh compare the capability to access the

2021
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:42,709
I mean we're in a show like this right

2022
01:18:47,209 --> 01:18:44,960
now just shows that we're ready to

2023
01:18:48,890 --> 01:18:47,219
have a broader discussion right now it's

2024
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:48,900
just for this particular audience and

2025
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:51,179
people that enjoy this genre of

2026
01:18:56,810 --> 01:18:54,480
podcasting and live streaming but it

2027
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:56,820
could get you know the rest of society

2028
01:19:01,570 --> 01:18:58,860
could catch on and we see this on new

2029
01:19:05,090 --> 01:19:01,580
shows now people are talking about

2030
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:05,100
UFOs and UAP topics all the time and it

2031
01:19:10,010 --> 01:19:07,860
comes up in newspapers and things and

2032
01:19:12,169 --> 01:19:10,020
I think it's mainly us that's imposing

2033
01:19:13,729 --> 01:19:12,179
this on ourselves we just have to decide

2034
01:19:15,770 --> 01:19:13,739
we want to grow up we don't want to be

2035
01:19:18,410 --> 01:19:15,780
little kids of the universe anymore I

2036
01:19:20,510 --> 01:19:18,420
think we're special as who we are for

2037
01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:20,520
you know the way we are on the earth and

2038
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:24,120
uh I think we have a special you know I

2039
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:25,260
don't think there's anyone else quite

2040
01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:27,480
like us around that I know about

2041
01:19:31,550 --> 01:19:29,820
but I don't think we have to be in this

2042
01:19:33,649 --> 01:19:31,560
bubble I think we could be interacting

2043
01:19:35,390 --> 01:19:33,659
with other extraterrestrial species we

2044
01:19:37,850 --> 01:19:35,400
could be interacting with the Cryptids

2045
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,860
it's mainly a thing you know as long as

2046
01:19:40,729 --> 01:19:39,120
we're shooting at them I doubt we're

2047
01:19:43,370 --> 01:19:40,739
going to have a good relationship

2048
01:19:45,470 --> 01:19:43,380
with the ETS people would do the same

2049
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,480
thing with ETS probably if they land in

2050
01:19:48,110 --> 01:19:47,040
your backyard in a lot of places right

2051
01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:48,120
so they don't

2052
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:49,380
you know when they're in physical form

2053
01:19:53,330 --> 01:19:50,820
they probably don't want to have a lot

2054
01:19:54,830 --> 01:19:53,340
of Buckshot coming at them and I don't

2055
01:19:57,169 --> 01:19:54,840
think the Cryptids appreciate that

2056
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,179
either so

2057
01:20:01,729 --> 01:19:59,520
I think it takes both sides we have to

2058
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:01,739
be more open to it but I think the first

2059
01:20:05,390 --> 01:20:03,780
step is to remove the censorship within

2060
01:20:07,250 --> 01:20:05,400
our own society and start having open

2061
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:07,260
discussion and hearing from people

2062
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:08,940
who've had these encounters I'm getting

2063
01:20:13,729 --> 01:20:11,340
contacted a lot every day now by people

2064
01:20:15,709 --> 01:20:13,739
because I've you know wrote Dark Matter

2065
01:20:17,330 --> 01:20:15,719
monsters I've been on podcasts recently

2066
01:20:19,970 --> 01:20:17,340
in shows and people say I want to share

2067
01:20:22,490 --> 01:20:19,980
my experience with you and um it's

2068
01:20:23,930 --> 01:20:22,500
fascinating I mean we don't haven't

2069
01:20:26,090 --> 01:20:23,940
heard from these people before who again

2070
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:26,100
who do they talk to about this if you

2071
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:28,500
call law enforcement they'll say you saw

2072
01:20:32,510 --> 01:20:29,280
a bear

2073
01:20:34,189 --> 01:20:32,520
right yes they will fit anywhere and

2074
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:34,199
sometimes these cops are really afraid

2075
01:20:38,510 --> 01:20:36,420
to deal with Cryptids they don't know

2076
01:20:40,250 --> 01:20:38,520
what they are either and they don't

2077
01:20:41,810 --> 01:20:40,260
particularly like feeling that powerless

2078
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:41,820
feeling that you could feel around them

2079
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:45,120
something so big and so powerful and

2080
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:48,120
unknown so there's it's like we're

2081
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:50,100
undeveloped for this territory but I

2082
01:20:52,910 --> 01:20:52,020
think we have each other we have shows

2083
01:20:55,550 --> 01:20:52,920
like this

2084
01:20:58,010 --> 01:20:55,560
and we're talking about it and I just

2085
01:21:01,490 --> 01:20:58,020
think it's going to grow and we we need

2086
01:21:03,229 --> 01:21:01,500
to officially recognize that this exists

2087
01:21:05,689 --> 01:21:03,239
and find out what does the government

2088
01:21:07,130 --> 01:21:05,699
know what does science know we can't

2089
01:21:10,130 --> 01:21:07,140
just I keep having everything in special

2090
01:21:13,070 --> 01:21:10,140
access programs I mean uh we know this

2091
01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:13,080
has to end within the UFO area for US

2092
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,420
Congress may have to subpoena people to

2093
01:21:20,030 --> 01:21:17,520
find out we've heard about the Wilson

2094
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:20,040
Davis notes and so forth I mean how much

2095
01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:23,100
of this is in in special access programs

2096
01:21:26,930 --> 01:21:25,080
and we're not having we can't do this

2097
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:26,940
without public discussion the system

2098
01:21:31,550 --> 01:21:29,520
does not work so we have to have this

2099
01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:31,560
the place to start us to talk about it

2100
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:33,540
openly get more and you've had people

2101
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,580
like this on the show people who've been

2102
01:21:39,649 --> 01:21:37,199
in the government who say okay look this

2103
01:21:42,770 --> 01:21:39,659
is what's really going on

2104
01:21:45,649 --> 01:21:42,780
uh I was at the citizen Hearing in 2013

2105
01:21:48,649 --> 01:21:45,659
in in the National Press Club in DC and

2106
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:48,659
you know they had retired congressmen

2107
01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:52,320
uh and retired tired Congress people and

2108
01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:53,580
one senator

2109
01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:55,980
uh and the reason they're all retired

2110
01:22:00,770 --> 01:21:57,780
they couldn't get any sitting Congress

2111
01:22:02,630 --> 01:22:00,780
people or Senators to attend they could

2112
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,640
only find retired ones and had to pay

2113
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:04,560
them this is why they paid them because

2114
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:06,120
they couldn't get anyone who was sitting

2115
01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:08,239
because everyone thought like they told

2116
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:11,880
uh Harry Reid like his staff you saw

2117
01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:13,260
those interviews with him he said my

2118
01:22:16,850 --> 01:22:15,000
staff said Harry this might be bad for

2119
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,860
your career to talk and he said I don't

2120
01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:19,199
care okay I'm gonna talk because that's

2121
01:22:24,729 --> 01:22:20,820
the type of guy he was like him or not

2122
01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:24,739
he was fired and eligible baby

2123
01:22:28,370 --> 01:22:27,300
and that's what Bigelow said to him and

2124
01:22:31,010 --> 01:22:28,380
they asked him on the 60-minute review

2125
01:22:32,209 --> 01:22:31,020
what that would he said I don't care I

2126
01:22:34,130 --> 01:22:32,219
think he would use stronger language

2127
01:22:36,169 --> 01:22:34,140
than that we need to get that attitude

2128
01:22:39,050 --> 01:22:36,179
for more people to stop people are

2129
01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:39,060
protecting their careers thinking about

2130
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,980
the whole you know the rest of their

2131
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:42,960
life from their they we need people to

2132
01:22:47,149 --> 01:22:44,640
tell the truth about this you know she

2133
01:22:49,070 --> 01:22:47,159
can't be a few of us I agree with you

2134
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:49,080
and I also agree with Dave Scott's

2135
01:22:52,490 --> 01:22:50,400
position

2136
01:22:54,290 --> 01:22:52,500
um he he used the exact it's really

2137
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,300
weird it's almost like I'm connected

2138
01:22:57,770 --> 01:22:55,679
with Dave Scott he used the same

2139
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:57,780
analogies with me as I used to back

2140
01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:00,719
coveted toilet paper and I think where

2141
01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:03,000
somewhere the truth is somewhere in the

2142
01:23:06,770 --> 01:23:05,100
middle I I I don't think we're

2143
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:06,780
representative of everybody but

2144
01:23:11,930 --> 01:23:09,120
nonetheless I think you should if you

2145
01:23:13,070 --> 01:23:11,940
can bring out your ax and let's see if

2146
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,080
we can guys hold on a second I'm going

2147
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:15,120
to set up on the hood okay this is this

2148
01:23:19,130 --> 01:23:16,860
would be a great music video at a truck

2149
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:19,140
stop setup yeah let me see if we can

2150
01:23:23,290 --> 01:23:21,360
make this work you could sing I love you

2151
01:23:25,610 --> 01:23:23,300
just the way you are to the

2152
01:23:27,470 --> 01:23:25,620
Etsy let's see let's see if we can do

2153
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:27,480
this all right one second I'm gonna set

2154
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:30,000
up all right this screen's gonna look

2155
01:23:35,149 --> 01:23:31,620
forward I'm gonna put the iPad on the

2156
01:23:37,370 --> 01:23:35,159
hood yep uh I mean and we're gonna set

2157
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:37,380
up and see if we got the right angle

2158
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:38,940
here it's gonna look a little dark

2159
01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:41,820
because I'm at the edge of a truck stop

2160
01:23:45,890 --> 01:23:45,239
here in Laramie one moment gonna get the

2161
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,900
guitar

2162
01:23:49,930 --> 01:23:48,239
love it and Laramie that what this is a

2163
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:49,940
special moment on calling all beings

2164
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:53,760
live music Nathan live performance I was

2165
01:23:57,770 --> 01:23:55,920
glad that I was just going to say I was

2166
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:57,780
glad we talked about

2167
01:24:03,169 --> 01:24:01,199
um the sociology aspect because I think

2168
01:24:05,649 --> 01:24:03,179
that's something that we're all trying

2169
01:24:08,570 --> 01:24:05,659
to Grapple with like how to help Society

2170
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:08,580
accept the fact that we may not

2171
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:11,760
understand our realities

2172
01:24:16,370 --> 01:24:14,159
so I'm glad that we have touched on some

2173
01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:16,380
possible solutions today

2174
01:24:20,930 --> 01:24:18,420
yeah it's really tough I mean the the

2175
01:24:23,689 --> 01:24:20,940
gap for me seems quite large

2176
01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:23,699
um you know just just getting the

2177
01:24:28,910 --> 01:24:26,340
initial admission that we have UFOs and

2178
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,920
we might be studying them that's huge in

2179
01:24:32,270 --> 01:24:30,960
and of itself to then get us from there

2180
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:32,280
to

2181
01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:34,080
all of these other

2182
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:36,060
phenomenal experiences I mean it's it's

2183
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:37,679
quite a lot of ground to cover I don't

2184
01:24:41,689 --> 01:24:39,960
know how that's going to happen very

2185
01:24:44,209 --> 01:24:41,699
soon most of America doesn't know that

2186
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:44,219
yet doesn't know that that it's in our

2187
01:24:48,169 --> 01:24:46,320
ndaa they're not reading it like Dan

2188
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:48,179
zetterstrom of course and and and

2189
01:24:52,910 --> 01:24:49,920
internal and they don't even know that

2190
01:24:55,010 --> 01:24:52,920
it's a thing and also a thing I was

2191
01:24:59,330 --> 01:24:55,020
going to bring up with you Nathan and

2192
01:25:03,229 --> 01:24:59,340
Deb is what I love is very interesting

2193
01:25:07,490 --> 01:25:03,239
is people use this word they say I don't

2194
01:25:09,950 --> 01:25:07,500
know if I believe in UFOs I don't know

2195
01:25:13,070 --> 01:25:09,960
if I believe in Bigfoot

2196
01:25:15,169 --> 01:25:13,080
and those that

2197
01:25:18,649 --> 01:25:15,179
phraseology was something we would use

2198
01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:18,659
for God or something believe in it's

2199
01:25:24,590 --> 01:25:21,060
like nobody's asking you to believe in

2200
01:25:28,370 --> 01:25:24,600
UFOs or believe in you're not worshiping

2201
01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:28,380
Bigfoot right or worshiping UFOs in this

2202
01:25:32,990 --> 01:25:29,699
case

2203
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:33,000
we're just saying this exists not as

2204
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:35,760
saying ah you need to believe in this

2205
01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:38,280
right yeah that's a great point

2206
01:25:46,510 --> 01:25:41,460
all right it's a weird thing all right

2207
01:25:51,470 --> 01:25:49,490
Dr Simeon Hind

2208
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,480
can you can you hear anything that

2209
01:25:58,750 --> 01:25:53,120
sounds great

2210
01:26:01,850 --> 01:25:58,760
[Music]

2211
01:26:04,250 --> 01:26:01,860
can you see enough yeah a little ditty

2212
01:26:05,930 --> 01:26:04,260
about Jack and Diane wait a second let

2213
01:26:08,330 --> 01:26:05,940
me get the light I think I can get the

2214
01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:08,340
spotlight on I gotta I got a flashlight

2215
01:26:12,649 --> 01:26:10,260
and Spotlight just a little bit the

2216
01:26:14,750 --> 01:26:12,659
commitment one second one second we

2217
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:14,760
gotta get this we got to get this right

2218
01:26:20,030 --> 01:26:15,679
guys

2219
01:26:22,729 --> 01:26:20,040
and this will be like a little bit of

2220
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:22,739
YouTube history here because we're gonna

2221
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:24,960
we're going to get some light so that

2222
01:26:30,410 --> 01:26:28,560
you can actually see nice

2223
01:26:33,230 --> 01:26:30,420
the guitar

2224
01:26:35,950 --> 01:26:33,240
yes live on guitar baby

2225
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,960
[Music]

2226
01:26:42,290 --> 01:26:37,760
yes

2227
01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:42,300
this is uh this is Spanish two-step by

2228
01:26:48,649 --> 01:26:45,540
John Fahey John Fahey was this American

2229
01:26:50,450 --> 01:26:48,659
finger picking guitarist he had a style

2230
01:26:52,910 --> 01:26:50,460
called American Primitive he inspired

2231
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,920
Leo cocky and people like that who do

2232
01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:54,800
finger picking that's a style

2233
01:27:02,320 --> 01:26:58,210
I learned this is Spanish two-step

2234
01:27:02,330 --> 01:27:06,050
[Music]

2235
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:06,840
oh

2236
01:27:28,410 --> 01:27:27,120
[Music]

2237
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:28,420
really

2238
01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:48,640
[Music]

2239
01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:48,900
[Applause]

2240
01:27:52,620 --> 01:27:50,520
[Music]

2241
01:28:23,590 --> 01:27:52,630
foreign

2242
01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:23,600
[Music]

2243
01:28:27,649 --> 01:28:26,040
[Applause]

2244
01:28:28,570 --> 01:28:27,659
where are you

2245
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:28,580
guys

2246
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:33,780
Dr Simeon Hein playing live I'm calling

2247
01:28:39,890 --> 01:28:36,560
all beings baby incredible

2248
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:39,900
that was so beautiful yes

2249
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:42,960
oh one of the best moments ever on this

2250
01:28:46,370 --> 01:28:43,800
show

2251
01:28:49,370 --> 01:28:46,380
ah thank you absolute highlight yeah

2252
01:28:50,930 --> 01:28:49,380
that was fantastic thank you well can I

2253
01:28:53,570 --> 01:28:50,940
get it amen

2254
01:28:54,530 --> 01:28:53,580
amen thank you for that light sound and

2255
01:28:57,610 --> 01:28:54,540
frequency

2256
01:29:01,250 --> 01:28:57,620
[Music]

2257
01:29:02,990 --> 01:29:01,260
thank you Debs love you oh man that was

2258
01:29:06,169 --> 01:29:03,000
great Dr Hein

2259
01:29:08,689 --> 01:29:06,179
um one question I had yeah

2260
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,699
um I guess uh final question will say

2261
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:11,280
our goodbyes we're sitting on 9 29

2262
01:29:15,229 --> 01:29:12,900
unless somebody has something burning

2263
01:29:18,110 --> 01:29:15,239
then we can get it in there you've

2264
01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:18,120
spoken to this is a quote from you with

2265
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:20,580
uh my new friend Dave Scott who I'm

2266
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:23,280
obviously channeling as we speak

2267
01:29:27,470 --> 01:29:24,960
um you've spoken with individuals

2268
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:27,480
involved with crash retrieval yeah yeah

2269
01:29:33,890 --> 01:29:30,000
I have I absolutely have

2270
01:29:36,590 --> 01:29:33,900
I had met someone an engineer who's at a

2271
01:29:38,990 --> 01:29:36,600
conference a couple of years ago who was

2272
01:29:40,010 --> 01:29:39,000
one of the top Electronics engineers in

2273
01:29:42,050 --> 01:29:40,020
the country

2274
01:29:44,270 --> 01:29:42,060
and he told me

2275
01:29:46,610 --> 01:29:44,280
flat out he was approached by

2276
01:29:48,590 --> 01:29:46,620
individuals from an unnamed organization

2277
01:29:51,290 --> 01:29:48,600
with a large piece

2278
01:29:53,629 --> 01:29:51,300
he said it was curved it appeared to be

2279
01:29:56,090 --> 01:29:53,639
the hull of a craft based on the

2280
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:56,100
curvature he thought it was about maybe

2281
01:30:00,110 --> 01:29:57,840
80 feet across

2282
01:30:02,510 --> 01:30:00,120
and they wanted to know how it worked

2283
01:30:04,250 --> 01:30:02,520
and someone like him he would have known

2284
01:30:05,629 --> 01:30:04,260
any Electronics

2285
01:30:07,310 --> 01:30:05,639
he said

2286
01:30:08,810 --> 01:30:07,320
he looked at it under an electron

2287
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:08,820
scanning microscope he said it was a

2288
01:30:11,570 --> 01:30:10,560
thousand years ahead of anything that we

2289
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:11,580
have

2290
01:30:19,070 --> 01:30:16,620
mean not even secret NSA stuff is Way

2291
01:30:22,129 --> 01:30:19,080
Beyond and he said it was made of

2292
01:30:23,890 --> 01:30:22,139
isotopes that don't exist in our part of

2293
01:30:26,209 --> 01:30:23,900
the Galaxy

2294
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,219
we don't have the right chemistry here

2295
01:30:31,550 --> 01:30:28,400
to get those isotopes

2296
01:30:33,770 --> 01:30:31,560
variations in how chemical you know

2297
01:30:37,129 --> 01:30:33,780
elements are put together no you said it

2298
01:30:38,750 --> 01:30:37,139
was made with different numbers of uh

2299
01:30:41,570 --> 01:30:38,760
electrons

2300
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,580
again our elements have not neutrons

2301
01:30:45,530 --> 01:30:43,679
which is how we make Isotopes electrons

2302
01:30:46,750 --> 01:30:45,540
and then he said it was made in a zero g

2303
01:30:48,890 --> 01:30:46,760
environment

2304
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:48,900
and that

2305
01:30:52,970 --> 01:30:51,120
it it had to have been he said he was

2306
01:30:56,570 --> 01:30:52,980
100 certain it was extraterrestrial

2307
01:30:57,709 --> 01:30:56,580
material from a crash retrieval and he

2308
01:31:01,129 --> 01:30:57,719
said

2309
01:31:03,169 --> 01:31:01,139
it's so far beyond what we know he he

2310
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,179
described to me what

2311
01:31:07,729 --> 01:31:05,280
it looked like he said there were these

2312
01:31:09,709 --> 01:31:07,739
very thin wires in it at a nanometer

2313
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,719
scale that would get thicker or thinner

2314
01:31:14,330 --> 01:31:11,760
and occasionally they'd wrap around a

2315
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,340
hexagonal structure and he got from this

2316
01:31:19,970 --> 01:31:16,560
that it was interacting directly with

2317
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:19,980
the so-called Quantum vacuum the Dirac C

2318
01:31:23,629 --> 01:31:22,080
the kind of the fundamental level of

2319
01:31:26,689 --> 01:31:23,639
reality where there's no particles

2320
01:31:29,390 --> 01:31:26,699
there's just a potential for energy and

2321
01:31:32,209 --> 01:31:29,400
it would actually affect the density of

2322
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:32,219
space-time its propulsion was affecting

2323
01:31:37,129 --> 01:31:35,040
the density of space-time directly a

2324
01:31:39,530 --> 01:31:37,139
Quantum technology said we don't have it

2325
01:31:41,390 --> 01:31:39,540
and he was Sir and he never wanted to

2326
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:41,400
talk about even though he gave me his

2327
01:31:46,610 --> 01:31:44,639
email and everything I think based on

2328
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:46,620
who I hear talking right now

2329
01:31:51,410 --> 01:31:49,199
in the UFO world

2330
01:31:53,629 --> 01:31:51,420
I think he may come forward at some

2331
01:31:56,810 --> 01:31:53,639
point based on what I'm hearing from

2332
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:56,820
people that I know know him so but his

2333
01:32:00,590 --> 01:31:58,800
name hasn't come public yet and I don't

2334
01:32:03,470 --> 01:32:00,600
want to you know give him a hard time

2335
01:32:06,050 --> 01:32:03,480
you know so I have but I think if people

2336
01:32:08,330 --> 01:32:06,060
like him start coming forward

2337
01:32:09,890 --> 01:32:08,340
uh we're gonna make a lot of progress in

2338
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:09,900
this area because these are people with

2339
01:32:15,169 --> 01:32:12,960
such a solid reputation it would be a

2340
01:32:17,450 --> 01:32:15,179
total shock but the necessary realize

2341
01:32:20,510 --> 01:32:17,460
it's real that people like this are

2342
01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:20,520
Beyond dispute this is real these things

2343
01:32:24,169 --> 01:32:22,440
come here sometimes they crash maybe

2344
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:24,179
they're shot down whatever but we have

2345
01:32:28,430 --> 01:32:26,880
pieces of it and uh every once in a

2346
01:32:29,570 --> 01:32:28,440
while I guess it's the government comes

2347
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:29,580
up brings it out of the basement and

2348
01:32:33,229 --> 01:32:30,960
sees if our

2349
01:32:35,209 --> 01:32:33,239
know-how has come forward enough that we

2350
01:32:38,030 --> 01:32:35,219
could figure out what this is something

2351
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:38,040
like that so yeah no that was true I met

2352
01:32:43,010 --> 01:32:41,040
this person and I'm waiting for them to

2353
01:32:45,050 --> 01:32:43,020
be in the news I'm just looking every

2354
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:45,060
day of they're going to come forward uh

2355
01:32:49,010 --> 01:32:46,440
like we're hearing other people come

2356
01:32:50,990 --> 01:32:49,020
forward you've had many guests on the

2357
01:32:53,050 --> 01:32:51,000
show recently you know so

2358
01:32:56,750 --> 01:32:53,060
I'll tell you um

2359
01:32:58,430 --> 01:32:56,760
I'm in the um my work I'm in the

2360
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:58,440
aircraft business and I've talked about

2361
01:33:03,890 --> 01:33:01,440
how aircraft are wired up and I ran into

2362
01:33:05,930 --> 01:33:03,900
an experiencer who I'm whom I find very

2363
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:05,940
credible someone that Julie knows and

2364
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:07,679
you probably know him as well but I'm

2365
01:33:12,290 --> 01:33:10,560
not gonna say his name here

2366
01:33:13,490 --> 01:33:12,300
um on Twitter anyway I'm not I don't

2367
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:13,500
know his real name but I wouldn't say

2368
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:15,600
his Twitter name and he expressed to me

2369
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:17,040
that

2370
01:33:25,790 --> 01:33:22,080
these crafts were used as wave guides to

2371
01:33:28,490 --> 01:33:25,800
train yeah exactly exactly me knowing

2372
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:28,500
how aircraft are wired up today and how

2373
01:33:32,570 --> 01:33:30,239
we use wire bundles and things like that

2374
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,580
even you know the space shuttle and and

2375
01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:34,800
probably Dragon X does the exact same

2376
01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:38,159
uses the same wiring methods we do I

2377
01:33:42,729 --> 01:33:39,960
find that really interesting as an

2378
01:33:45,950 --> 01:33:42,739
evolution to the way that information

2379
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:45,960
and or electrons would flow through a

2380
01:33:49,910 --> 01:33:48,480
craft via the skin being used as a wave

2381
01:33:52,970 --> 01:33:49,920
guide and when you talked about that in

2382
01:33:55,370 --> 01:33:52,980
in reference to crop circles uh

2383
01:33:58,669 --> 01:33:55,380
me you can see there's some commonality

2384
01:34:00,770 --> 01:33:58,679
between all of this yep no no there's

2385
01:34:03,649 --> 01:34:00,780
common ones crop circles to UFOs

2386
01:34:05,810 --> 01:34:03,659
probably even decrypted in some way with

2387
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,820
some aspect of their biology that has

2388
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:07,520
waveguide like

2389
01:34:12,290 --> 01:34:10,080
potential something like that and we'd

2390
01:34:14,510 --> 01:34:12,300
say well there's something common across

2391
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:14,520
all these different phenomena so just

2392
01:34:18,410 --> 01:34:16,320
like instruments right wave guides

2393
01:34:20,750 --> 01:34:18,420
standing waves it's all really the same

2394
01:34:22,490 --> 01:34:20,760
it's all really the same thing and it's

2395
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:22,500
all interacting with dark matter too so

2396
01:34:26,689 --> 01:34:24,719
I I don't want you to put your guitar

2397
01:34:28,970 --> 01:34:26,699
away Dr Hein because I'd like you to

2398
01:34:31,070 --> 01:34:28,980
take us out with music but first we have

2399
01:34:33,169 --> 01:34:31,080
our our goodbyes that we have to say and

2400
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:33,179
so we'll start with Debs

2401
01:34:36,830 --> 01:34:35,040
man I feel like we could have talked for

2402
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:36,840
like 10 more hours you got something

2403
01:34:41,870 --> 01:34:40,080
going back again I know you

2404
01:34:43,970 --> 01:34:41,880
thank you so much like I had so many

2405
01:34:45,770 --> 01:34:43,980
more questions and I really hope that

2406
01:34:47,930 --> 01:34:45,780
you know you know you come visit me

2407
01:34:51,169 --> 01:34:47,940
through rving anytime we can chat that

2408
01:34:53,149 --> 01:34:51,179
way if you like but in the meantime you

2409
01:34:55,129 --> 01:34:53,159
know please come back so we can get to

2410
01:34:56,990 --> 01:34:55,139
some of those other topics thank you so

2411
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:57,000
much yes sir thank you guys thanks

2412
01:35:01,129 --> 01:34:58,560
everyone for listening

2413
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:01,139
keep on asking questions it's only going

2414
01:35:05,149 --> 01:35:03,600
to get better we got Nathan too so we

2415
01:35:07,729 --> 01:35:05,159
got a couple more goodbyes we got to get

2416
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to yeah I just uh want to Echo that it's

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been a real pleasure speaking with you I

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want to encourage folks to pick up the

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book Dark Matter Monsters uh it's on

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Amazon so check that out we've got the

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description of the link in the in the

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description and I want to thank folks

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for joining us this evening this has

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been an absolute treat uh listening to

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01:35:25,010 --> 01:35:23,460
this conversation and and particularly

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01:35:26,990 --> 01:35:25,020
you sharing your music with us so

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voluntarily so looking forward to part

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two at some point

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absolutely thanks uh happy to send

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people sign copies if you go to

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newcrystalmind.com my blog nice the top

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post is to get a signed copy so you are

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as cool as the other side of the pillow

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uh you really are not only my New York

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01:35:48,530 --> 01:35:45,960
brother but you're just so cool so smart

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and so talented Dr Hein

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um what I'd like to do today in lieu of

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our standard cab outro we'd like to have

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01:35:58,850 --> 01:35:56,760
you play for a solid minute and then

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Nathan will take us out and then end the

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broadcast there

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um and uh I want to thank you you're

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obviously uh your part of our show is

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this lovely individual to my right Julie

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Farrell who's become our chat moderator

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01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:14,159
and uh and your remote viewer I suppose

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I need to venmo you if she actually uh

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finds me a good Sasquatch spot so I'll

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make sure I get your venmo

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um but no thank you love you Jules and

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uh with that um this is a DJ San Marcos

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saying peace out out one love will see

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you down the road and as always we're

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wondering what's up around the bend Dr

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01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:38,520
Simeon Heinen will take us out is this

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another John Fahey original uh uh sunny

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foreign

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foreign

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foreign

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